Let's be honest....

Ok let's be honest I thought about this swap for my 70 duster and I want to go carb.... I realize I need mounts no big deal... The summit swap pan 200... Then probably srt8 headers... Not sure how much they are?? Since I'm going carb what do I need to make it run? Still need a computer??! That's another 250... Then an adapter to make it for to a 727 I think there about 400-500... Plus the actual hemi.... I see you guys post all the time a hemi that runs good for like 500-750?!? Where the heck do you find them?!? All the hemi I see are at least 2000 that run!!! I'm in nj if you know any cheap hemis let me know.... Also being honest how much does this swap cost if going carb? Less that 3000?! That's what it seems looking at all the threads... Please shed some daylight on this... Basically everything to do a carbbed hemi in a 70 duster

modernmuscleperformance.com

has 904/727 flex plate for $95.00

while we are being honest.....:) i never understood why people do the modern hemi swap only to put a carb on it. defeats the purpose in my opinion. a regular small block will run as good as a carbed hemi and be less in the long run. if your doing the swap you may as well get the advantages of the fuel injection and all with it.

if i was gonna do a basically stock modern hemi i would grab a truck motor, change the pan so it would fit in the car and go with the street performance wire harness and be done with it. from what i remember the street performance harness was cheaper then the carb conversion. yes you have to build a fuel system but the injection would be so worth it.

Ok let's be honest I thought about this swap for my 70 duster and I want to go carb.... I realize I need mounts no big deal... The summit swap pan 200... Then probably srt8 headers... Not sure how much they are?? Since I'm going carb what do I need to make it run? Still need a computer??! That's another 250... Then an adapter to make it for to a 727 I think there about 400-500... Plus the actual hemi.... I see you guys post all the time a hemi that runs good for like 500-750?!? Where the heck do you find them?!? All the hemi I see are at least 2000 that run!!! I'm in nj if you know any cheap hemis let me know.... Also being honest how much does this swap cost if going carb? Less that 3000?! That's what it seems looking at all the threads... Please shed some daylight on this... Basically everything to do a carbbed hemi in a 70 duster

Ok, The mininmum you would need for installing a hemi without having to cut and make your own stuff should be as follows, Milodon oil pan $200, Milodon pickup $80 (no it isn't included) Oil Pan gaskets (they arn't included either) $20, and Milodon Dipstick or equivalent $80. You need a flexplate for the conversion $90 but you won't need a spacer between the trans and the engine. Engine has a standard small block bolt pattern for the trans and you need a neutral balance torque converter. Motor mounts $150 they come without isolators and if you are using a stock K frame you need to notch it to fit the angled oil filter adapter ?$ or buy a relocation kit ?$. Headers $700 or SRT8 Jeep manifolds ?? Mini starter for a small block $180. If you use a stock K frame you can only use manual steering, if you have power steering and need to change you can use a box adapter around $150 or a Borgeson kit. You can use the stock coils for the ignition with an MSD Hemi 6 $500 and the correct wiring harness (2 available for the 2 different coils) $200. Intakes vary from $350-$800 pick your poison plus a carb. I used a truck timing cover with a truck clutch fan and a small flex-a-lite 16" REVERSE ROTATION FAN. I used a 26" small block rad out of a late B Body and found hoses to fit. I also used a Small block thermostat housing that was milled flat and bolted it to the water pump in place of the overly large stock one to adapt the rad and hoses to the engine. I know there is something I missed so feel free to chime in.

The carb is for that old school look of a big hemi... The modern hemi is cheaper than say a 426... Also the ease of tuning... Paying 400 for a custom tune vs carbs... Plus it looks more right under the hood

The carb is for that old school look of a big hemi... The modern hemi is cheaper than say a 426... Also the ease of tuning... Paying 400 for a custom tune vs carbs... Plus it looks more right under the hood

I agree, But there are always 2 sides of the coin. You have the modern side and the retro side. Neither is wrong, it's just 2 different styles.

The carb is for that old school look of a big hemi... The modern hemi is cheaper than say a 426... Also the ease of tuning... Paying 400 for a custom tune vs carbs... Plus it looks more right under the hood


Here is my take on retro. Runs 11.54 @ 115.5 so far.

The carb is for that old school look of a big hemi... The modern hemi is cheaper than say a 426... Also the ease of tuning... Paying 400 for a custom tune vs carbs... Plus it looks more right under the hood


there is nothing old school looking about a modern hemi even if it has a carb on it. yea that serpentine belt is sure old school looking. :)

as far as tuning goes i guess it depends what your doing with the motor.

there is nothing old school looking about a modern hemi even if it has a carb on it. yea that serpentine belt is sure old school looking. :)

You should see it with the Hemi chrome dome air cleaner on it!! I wish I had pictures if it finished.

it looks closer to an older hemi then others but it sure isn't old school looking. i'm sure it will fool some but so does a small block chevy with old hemi valve covers..

sounds like it runs damn good though.




http://www.abodyjoe.com/Misccars/2005%20shows/jacksonoutlets/july29/7-6-05_096.jpg

it looks closer to an older hemi then others but it sure isn't old school looking. i'm sure it will fool some but so does a small block chevy with old hemi valve covers..

sounds like it runs damn good though.




http://www.abodyjoe.com/Misccars/2005%20shows/jacksonoutlets/july29/7-6-05_096.jpg

Makin valve covers fit is one thing. Not only is it very hokey is just a dow right lie!! I bent the truth. I have had a blast listening to people make their own asumptions on what it is. I have heard people say it was a 16 cylinder engine, It was an old 392, ask me what happened to the distributor, and Most poeple get it but not after scratchin their heads for a min. 8) If you heard it it sounds like a worked old shool hemi expecialy with the exhaust open!!

hey i'm not taking anything away from what you built. it looks good and from what you say runs good. but there is nothing old school looking about it but orange paint and black wrinkle valve covers. like i said i'm sure it fools a lot of people but so did that car i posted. should have heard the people talking about it standing around it... right up till the part i said hey thats a small block chevy and the owner was like shhhhhhh... them my buddy says to him isn't that kinka like putting a sock in your pants? lmao. he wasn't very happy after that..

for my swap 6.1 SRT into 72 Dart, man. 5 speed) I have no choice than a carb. Officials do not allow modern engines in historic cars as long as I have historic lichence plates on the car. It is a tax thing...

What about the fuel pump? Never mentionedd in other threads as far as I know...

I have no choice than a carb. Officials do not allow modern engines in historic cars as long as I have historic lichence plates on the car. It is a tax thing...


now that sucks..

I know it isn't old school persay... But you can make a old ford 302 serp belt and it's still old... Your from Berlin I'm just about 30 min from you... I see how you might think it's a waste or whatever but it's my car right? It's not technalclly a 426 but if you walk up glance and walk away what do you remember? That thing had a hemi!!! That's all plus the modern tech makes it a good candidate... So hemijoe... If I wanted to do just a stock 5.7 carb swap I'm looking at about 3000 grand?!? Not to bad at all... Was the swap hard and getting it to run right etc?

while we are being honest.....:) i never understood why people do the modern hemi swap only to put a carb on it. Defeats the purpose in my opinion.

agree...............

So about 2000 for all the parts plus the cost of a hemi.... Not to bad... The only thing is can you do without tue hemi6 controller? What exactly is that?


Oo another reason to go carb is that the intake with the tb facing forward is just plain ugly when you have to run piping to a ugly cone filter

I know it isn't old school persay... But you can make a old ford 302 serp belt and it's still old... Your from Berlin I'm just about 30 min from you... I see how you might think it's a waste or whatever but it's my car right? It's not technalclly a 426 but if you walk up glance and walk away what do you remember? That thing had a hemi!!! That's all plus the modern tech makes it a good candidate... So hemijoe... If I wanted to do just a stock 5.7 carb swap I'm looking at about 3000 grand?!? Not to bad at all... Was the swap hard and getting it to run right etc?



hey you do whatever you want to it. no one said you couldn't or shouldn't. i just said there is nothing old school about it and that i just don't see the point in doing it without gaining the advantages of the fuel injection. if the thing is for people to say hey that thing has a hemi then your good to go. just seems like a ton of money to do it just so you can say you have a hemi in it. but hey thats just me. its your money do it your way.

So about 2000 for all the parts plus the cost of a hemi.... Not to bad... The only thing is can you do without tue hemi6 controller? What exactly is that?


Oo another reason to go carb is that the intake with the tb facing forward is just plain ugly when you have to run piping to a ugly cone filter


ok now your just talking out your ass.:)

I know it isn't old school persay... But you can make a old ford 302 serp belt and it's still old... Your from Berlin I'm just about 30 min from you... I see how you might think it's a waste or whatever but it's my car right? It's not technalclly a 426 but if you walk up glance and walk away what do you remember? That thing had a hemi!!! That's all plus the modern tech makes it a good candidate... So hemijoe... If I wanted to do just a stock 5.7 carb swap I'm looking at about 3000 grand?!? Not to bad at all... Was the swap hard and getting it to run right etc?

Like $3000 plus motor. The swap was moderate in dificulty. Things still need to be tuned, shaved, and fit. I have done harder. The MSD comes with a pre installed ignition curve so it will run out of the box. If you want to tune it later a lap top is required with the included software. The carb tuning is just standard stuff. I use a BG 220HR fuel pump but a standard Holley red or blue pump and regulator is fine.

The MSD comes with a pre installed ignition curve so it will run out of the box. If you want to tune it later a lap top is required with the included software.


at what point would the computer need to be tuned? will a stock motor need to be tuned or only after so many mods??

Hey I think it looks crappy a tb facing foreword to a cone filter it looks just wrong... Your dart is nice I won't lie... But please if you gonna just say hey it gay to put a carb on it please don't post again.... I wasn't talking out my ass... I seriously believe that it looks like a Honda intake then...

So the hemi 6 is a msd unit? And ya when is a tune needed... Good question a bodyjoe

Hey I think it looks crappy a tb facing foreword to a cone filter it looks just wrong... Your dart is nice I won't lie... But please if you gonna just say hey it gay to put a carb on it please don't post again.... I wasn't talking out my ass... I seriously believe that it looks like a Honda intake then...


never said it was gay. just said to me it makes no sense unless like you said you just want the hemi name associated with your car.

for my swap 6.1 SRT into 72 Dart, man. 5 speed) I have no choice than a carb. Officials do not allow modern engines in historic cars as long as I have historic lichence plates on the car. It is a tax thing...

What about the fuel pump? Never mentionedd in other threads as far as I know...

Look here for some hemi fuel stuff...

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=111685

or build your own with a low PSI electric pump for carb.

Abodyjoe your right.. There is your way of thinking which is why put a new hemi in and get rid of all the new components seems Like a waste... I get where your coming from. Then I guess your also right about me being like ya it's got a hemi... Just to be able to say that.. But they do make good power stock also.. And cammed over 400

like i said. its your money not mine. do what ya want.

You should see it with the Hemi chrome dome air cleaner on it!! I wish I had pictures if it finished.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/RyanR_18/070708_17322.jpg

found this one for ya...

So about 2000 for all the parts plus the cost of a hemi.... Not to bad... The only thing is can you do without tue hemi6 controller? What exactly is that?


Oo another reason to go carb is that the intake with the tb facing forward is just plain ugly when you have to run piping to a ugly cone filter


This engine has no distributor so you need a controller to run the 8 coils. The Hemi 6 is just that. You need to run a stock crank sensor, cam sensor, and MAP sensor. The wiring harness plugs into them and into the coils. The Hemi 6 then fires the coils in sequence to run the engine and performs the (mechanical) and the vaccume advance.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/RyanR_18/070708_17322.jpg

found this one for ya...

Thanks!!! I erased my pics from FABO to put more on and for some reason they won't let me put any pictures on at all??

at what point would the computer need to be tuned? will a stock motor need to be tuned or only after so many mods??


Even a stock engine will make more power tuned differently, remember the factory is looking for longevity and set up for people who turn the key and take off. If you are willing to put high octane in it you can be more agressive with advance curves etc....

Hemijoejr: That engine looks cool no matter what anyone says! I like the advantages of fuel injection, but it doesn't look right in an older car unless you can cover it with an old style air breather. They do make them as well, but a carb works fine. All you'll loose by going carb is a neglegable amout of fuel mileage. If it isn't a daily driver than it won't make much differance either way

Now if they only made a cross ram intake for a new hemi. Think of the possibilitys

Now if they only made a cross ram intake for a new hemi. Think of the possibilitys


I have been talking about that for 2 years and have even wrote to Edelbrock about it. I have even gone as far as to friend Vic Edelbrock on Facebook and ask him if they have one in the works. He said no but I tried!!:angry7: I'm going to start askin Indy next!!

I have been talking about that for 2 years and have even wrote to Edelbrock about it. I have even gone as far as to friend Vic Edelbrock on Facebook and ask him if they have one in the works. He said no but I tried!!:angry7: I'm going to start askin Indy next!!
Keep me updated! I think it would be a big seller if they would do it. I'll buy one

Oo ok.. Get the controller and it emlimates the need for a PCM? Correct? Saw it for sale for 430.. Not to bad.. Also your car looks great!!! Any advice you give I am taking. Just called a guy about a hemi with 60 thousand on the clock hoping to pick it up this weekend... So how much did that dual quad intake run ya?

Also alot of tue hemis I see have what looks like a coil pack on one of the plug wires... How did you do away with them? Or certain years have them other don't?

Oo ok.. Get the controller and it emlimates the need for a PCM? Correct? Saw it for sale for 430.. Not to bad.. Also your car looks great!!! Any advice you give I am taking. Just called a guy about a hemi with 60 thousand on the clock hoping to pick it up this weekend... So how much did that dual quad intake run ya?

Yes with a carb and a Hemi 6 and POOF!! No PCM. The dual quad was around $400. I think Summit has them in stock. Indy has one too. It's called the Mod Man.

Also alot of tue hemis I see have what looks like a coil pack on one of the plug wires... How did you do away with them? Or certain years have them other don't?
I think its a kit from indy heads that hides the coil pack under the intake. They also have the old style black wrinkle valve covers for new hemis as well.

I think its a kit from indy heads that hides the coil pack under the intake. They also have the old style black wrinkle valve covers for new hemis as well.

In stock form the coil packs are on the valve covers. Yellow73dart is right. Indy has the relocation kit but they are a bit on the expensive side. The tall valve covers they have don't fit that well on the engine in an A Body but you can get them to fit. The wires, valve covers, and the relocation kit are $1000.00. I just put the Indy valve covers on my hemi and you can't take them off without removing the heater box and the master cylinder. I made my own relocation kit before they could be bought. It isn't all that hard but it is a bit time consuming. If you are intrested, I have some hemi retrofit stuff I can sell you. Modified stock valve covers (the same ones in the pic of my engine with the air cleaner on it), spark plug wires (the red MSD ones in the pic) and a canton 6 quart oil pan let me know if you need it.:toothy10:

Pm sent!!! Thanks for all the help so far!!!

So about 2000 for all the parts plus the cost of a hemi.... Not to bad... The only thing is can you do without tue hemi6 controller? What exactly is that?


Oo another reason to go carb is that the intake with the tb facing forward is just plain ugly when you have to run piping to a ugly cone filter

You "could" hide the filter with a true cold air intake?

http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y363/SRT8_in_CT/LMI%20Fender%20Mount%20CAI%20%2010%2029%202010/100_2420.jpg

Still I think the carb just looks so much cleaner of a install but thanks for a idea...

See if this video works. The picture and sound quality suck but you get the Idea.
YouTube - Cammin hemi.3g2

That sounds soo good... I can wait now.. I'm going to do this hemi install...

Let me run down a list of everything I need...

Intake $350-400
Hemi 6 $430
Srt8 jeep headers. $??
Motor mounts $133
Oil pan pick up and gasket $300
My car is ps so need that kit. $150
Oil filter remote $70
Think that is about it... Add any other things I'm missing...

O right forgot the mini starter $180
And Flexplate $90

I believe the msd 6 has its own wiring harness , they run around $185



http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MSD-6013/

Ok add that to my list...

I believe the msd 6 has its own wiring harness , they run around $185



http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MSD-6013/


Make sure you get the right one, there is one for the early coils that use spark plug wires and the later style that both coils are on the plugs.

Thanks for the heads up...I am still trying to locate a running 5.7 hemi in nj area

Still I think the carb just looks so much cleaner of a install but thanks for a idea...

Gotcha...

Thanks for the heads up...I am still trying to locate a running 5.7 hemi in nj area

I know of one in CT and one in NY that might be available soon..

70dusterpink

what did i miss? what kit? "power steering for $150.00"

I saw some had posted a kit to use the ps column. Let me know when they go for sale

I saw some had posted a kit to use the ps column. Let me know when they go for sale

Here it is
http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/mamastad.html

Intake $350-400
Hemi 6 $430
Srt8 jeep headers. $??
Motor mounts $133
Oil pan pick up and gasket $300
Oil filter remote $70
mini starter $180
Flexplate $90
wiring harness $185
Steering coulumn adapter $125
manual steering box
kickdown cable
throttle cable bracket
If the early coils are used you need a set of shorty spark plug wires.

Still thinking.....

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/RyanR_18/070708_17322.jpg

found this one for ya...


:love7::love7::love7: there ain't no replacement for hemi displacement8)

old or new school hemi's for that matter

Oil pan and pickup is on that list twice just a heads up... Thanks this will be a great sticky if we get all the parts needed and with prices

i have to agree with abodyjoe if you are going with the 5.7 or 6.1 leave it fuel injected.Just my opinion though.

You know its just a thought, but I saw an article in a magazine once that showed an installation of an old style ram air, air breather set up being put on a new challenger. It looked like the ones used from the factory on the 70's challenger. My question is why not have the best of both worlds and keep the fuel injection but make it look retro at the same time ? I've seen other fuel injection set ups for the new style hemi that incorporate a throttle body on the top of the intake that will accept an old style air breather.

while we are being honest.....:) i never understood why people do the modern hemi swap only to put a carb on it. defeats the purpose in my opinion. a regular small block will run as good as a carbed hemi and be less in the long run. if your doing the swap you may as well get the advantages of the fuel injection and all with it.

if i was gonna do a basically stock modern hemi i would grab a truck motor, change the pan so it would fit in the car and go with the street performance wire harness and be done with it. from what i remember the street performance harness was cheaper then the carb conversion. yes you have to build a fuel system but the injection would be so worth it.

I don't get it either, but hey, that's what makes the world go round.

You know its just a thought, but I saw an article in a magazine once that showed an installation of an old style ram air, air breather set up being put on a new challenger. It looked like the ones used from the factory on the 70's challenger. My question is why not have the best of both worlds and keep the fuel injection but make it look retro at the same time ? I've seen other fuel injection set ups for the new style hemi that incorporate a throttle body on the top of the intake that will accept an old style air breather.

Yep, one of these: http://www.retrotekspeed.com/products/powerjection-iii/

My question is would it be compatible?

Yep, one of these: http://www.retrotekspeed.com/products/powerjection-iii/

My question is would it be compatible?

That would most definitly do it. That looks bad a**! Do you know anyone currently using one of these setups? How well does it perform?

It should be compatible if your replacing a carb with it. I just don't know if you could use it with any factory fuel injection equipment.

looks like you would put it on a 4 barrel intake

That would most definitly do it. That looks bad a**! Do you know anyone currently using one of these setups? How well does it perform?

It should be compatible if your replacing a carb with it. I just don't know if you could use it with any factory fuel injection equipment.

No, I don't know anyone that is using one. My question would be if it is compatible with the MSD Hemi 6 to fire the coils?

I did read an article in one of the mags about it. They spoke well of it.

If your 5.7 or 6.1 hemi is set up for a carb (including the MSD Hemi 6), Than I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. It will just have two seperate electrical systems. 1 for the coils and 1 for the fuel injection.

If your 5.7 or 6.1 hemi is set up for a carb (including the MSD Hemi 6), Than I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. It will just have two seperate electrical systems. 1 for the coils and 1 for the fuel injection.
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I wish there was more selection for carburettor intake manifolds for the newer gen of hemi, it seems the options are dual quad or a single plane. I would run a carb, cuz in this day and age it seems carburetors are one of the thing that separates vintage muscle from modern cars.

I saw some had posted a kit to use the ps column. Let me know when they go for sale

I know this is old, but the PS adapter did not work for me with TTI headers. The adapter moves the big factory joint at the end of the shaft up and it won't turn without hitting a header tube. I had to get a manual shaft to get the joint to clear. So if you want a stock steering shaft and headers you have to run a manual.

OK Guys...carb or fuel injection is a preference of the builer/owner! The reason most people are interested in this swap is that this engine is lighter and most importantly more efficient than a small block or big block. The heads flow really well stock, 4 bolt mains that are cross bolted, stock block that will hold some pretty high horsepower! Yeah you can build a big or small block motor and get the same horsepower but can you get the mileage (efficincy ) the gen 3 hemi produces. locally I know of 2 cars that run close to the same ET (12:40s ) 1 is a 360 and gets 11 mpg and the 5.7 hemi gets low 20's! almost double the miles per gallon. I have a stout old school 440 in my 73 dart sport but I am building an all forged internals 5.7 with a turbo and 545 truck trans to put in one of my wrecks. The thought of putting a 700 to 800 horse ( estimated ) motor in a mopar muscle car with 6 forward gears is kinda having the best of all worlds! Go to the strip and rip off a couple good time slips. Be able to hold your own on the highway with a newer vette. Or drive across a couple of state to an event while getting good gas mileage and not have to wear ear plugs or go see the dentist because your fillings rattled loose. These new motors are just designed to produce power efficiently and that is why mopar, ford and chebby guys are all building these new motors. I appreciate all the technical do and don'ts everybody posts on these builds! To somebody just starting down this road it is very helpful. All the cars I have seen you guys showing on here are damn cool...no matter if its injected carbed or blown. keep the information coming!