Chevy engines in MOPARS?

Why is it that many times I see a older DODGE custom rod or DODGE 50s - 60s - 70s pickups have Chevy 350s in them?? :banghead: What the heck is wrong with a 360 or whatever MOPAR engine? Is it the fit on an older vehicle? I know 350s are plentiful, but these vehicles are custom . . . they should have the correct engines. Just my 2 cents . . . :toothy10: Drives me nuts, Rog

Here's another example:
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Thats because 350's are like bellybuttons, everyone has one.

Saw a 50's dodge pickup with a corvette engine in it yesterday

its because chevy engines and their accessories are cheap as hell. and they make all kinds of street rod type parts for the chevy that they don't make for a mopar.

Well let them go find a BUICK truck to put it in . . .

Hmmm.

First observation, overpriced as that truck may be, the bodywork and general workmanship is gorgeous. The choice of the SBC likely went hand in hand with the 4WD conversion based on the Blazer running gear. Hilarious comment that the builder knew exactly what he was doing. That only eliminates the defense of insanity.

Second, the SBC is a staple of the hot rodders and it has been since it's introduction. Traditionally, this involved stuffing said SBC into a prewar Ford, but the source of these dried up years ago, thus the current trend to stuff a SBC into almost anything. For my part, it only shows a lack of imagination.

The hot rodders have a bias against anything other than a V8. Even the so called rat rods have a mandatory V8. Try it with 4 or 6 cylinder power and your creation is second rate. There is growing backlash against the SBC and that is a good thing, but keep in mind even this popular engine is now out of production and growing less common.

Third observation, the holy grail has always been Mopar's very own Hemi. How many 70's funny cars were Hemi powered regardless of the outer skin? We do get our moment in the sun, just not in the same category as the hot rodders fascination with the SBC.

I also haunt an AMC forum and the "stuff a Chevy in my AMC" question comes up every few weeks only to be thoroughly flamed. Seems like anything non-SBC is viewed as second rate by the uninformed. Usually the justification is economic, but any engine swap will likely be more costly than an equivalent build up of a V8 native to the engine compartment.

Even my cats have Chivy parts stashed somewhere,...A Mopar w/ a chivy in It don't get a second look from me,....My bud's got a 32 plymouth he's building with Chivy power,easier to get parts, fab and build, so he says,(wrong way).....My neighbor has a 33 with a sweet 318/ 904 combo,.(right way)..spent way less money on his project...

The flat head Ford and the 1st gen hemi are the engines of hot rodders traditionally not SBC. Some traditional period correct hot rods use a hot 4cyl because those were the engines availible during the times as well. Not many 283's were ever stuffed into hotrods.

My friend approached me at one point saying "my buddy's dad just pulled a 50k mile LS1. You should pay him $2k for it and swap it into you Dart. LS1s are sooo badass." I told him I'd pay the guy a grand for it and shove a quarter stick of dynamite in the oil pan and we'd see how far the pistons would fly. He immediately got upset because I acted like an LS1 is an inferior engine. No, I just don't like Chevy products and I'd be damned if I put a Chevy engine in my Dart. LS1s and 350s are so commonly swapped into everything. Its just makes me sick. My friend has a Wrangler he has been working on forever and its pretty nice. Made me sad that he calls himself a Mopar guy yet thinks LS1s are superior to any Mopar engine

I had a 73 Challenger parts car, the previous owner cut out the front frame rails, bolted in (mickey mouse / death trap installation) a chevy front sub frame and a 350. He thought it was the best handling car. I wouldn't even waste film taking a pic of it. It donated its roof to repair a back in the day sun roof job on a 1970 Challenger R/T , and the 3:91's went in my old Dart. I gave the 350 away for free ( more than its worth !)

a ford stays in a ford, a chivy stays in a chivy, a mopar goes into anything! the jeeps with chivy motors are embarrasing, my friend had a jeep cj7, and i said dude you didnt did you? he goes hell no its got an amc 360, but he built a monte ss with a 383. i will say this, fox body mustangs are pretty fast, and id kill to have a 67 gto. but im a car lover you got a nice car, i wanna look at it. can be anything but its gotta be unique insome way. personally id like to see an old dodge hot rod rat rod with a 360 or a hemi. and fyi ls1s are inferior to the power of the almighty hemi,383, and 440 period.

Chivy parts in other brands make me wanna puke! Seems like they are just a "go with the flow" mentality. Had a friend several years ago who was a die hard Chevy guy. Built awesome Novas and Chevelles. One of his favorite sayings was "Holleys and Chevies, everyone runs 'em because everyone runs 'em." He meant that because of the volume they are cheap and easy. Parts are plentiful and almost every scenario has been tried and what works is commonly known, so it takes the individuality and experimentation out of the picture. He figured in his race cars it was a lot better to have thousands of others spending their money finding the weak spots than for him to do so. When he found a 33 Plymouth on a ranch in Montana and he built his street rod, guess what engine he put in it.........



a 392 Hemi.... He said what else COULD you put in it??? !

fyi ls1s are inferior to the power of the almighty hemi,383, and 440 period.
Mopar or no car 8)

Here's another truck with a 305:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280662520879&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123

. . . at least he has a 383 in the back . . . lol

Well even the early Ford T buckets and street rods had alot of Chev 283's in as a choice . . . . not sayin the 289 was better or worse, but it was Ford's small block powerplant and there were alot of them around . . . . .

Like macho781988 mentioned about a 67 GTO . . . I agree it is an awesome car, but it would suck it if it had a HEMI in it . . . or a 69 Charger with a LS6 . . . or a Z-28 with a 340 six pack . . . .

Whatever . . . . my 2 cents . . . . to each his own . . . . :-D :-D :-D

The flat head Ford and the 1st gen hemi are the engines of hot rodders traditionally not SBC. Some traditional period correct hot rods use a hot 4cyl because those were the engines availible during the times as well. Not many 283's were ever stuffed into hotrods.


Can't argue against the traditional flathead, but everything changed in 1955. Not many 283's stuffed into hotrods? C'mon!

Good thread, I kind of see red and my blood pressure rises every time I see it done.

But, back in 89 I went to KCIR for a Mopar weekend race. Two Chevy Novas showed up with real 383 Mopar power. Loved those guys!

It is just sad that people can't think outside the box when it comes to power plants. They spend tons on the look of the car only to degrade it with a Chevy smallblock. I mean hell if you’re going to use GM what about a Nailhead, Olds Rocket or a Caddy motor. I have seen at the carshows I go to people starting to use oddball engines, like straight sixes and quad four engines, that stuff is cool. Chevy small blocks are tired and way overdone.... Slant six, or 318 you can get the power and still get decent mileage....
I want to build a bucket with a dual side drafted Slant six with zoomies, 8 1/4 axle and a manual trans to boot....

I prefer to see anything but a sbc in a street rod, even a bbc would be better.
As far as late model motors go, I do have to say that the LS motors are pretty impressive. From a car guy perspective it's hard to ignore an all aluminum 427 that puts out a normally asperated 500 horsepower and a blown 635. That's from the factory with a every guy tune on the PCM. I'm still trying to love the 3g hemi, but the factory ECM is tougher to tune and the very latest one is very uncooperative with outside tuning efforts.
(Got a supercharger and intercooler waiting to go on a 392 Chally as soon as we can get into the computer to up the tune).

Good thread, I kind of see red and my blood pressure rises every time I see it done.

But, back in 89 I went to KCIR for a Mopar weekend race. Two Chevy Novas showed up with real 383 Mopar power. Loved those guys!

There is a guy that used to bring a really nice 1969 SS Camaro to the Mopar show, he had a 440 in it with MP valve covers. He sure got looks at the entry gate, they wouldn't let him, he popped the hood to show them it was "Mopar powered" and they let him in.

Sorry, when it comes to old cars or most any cars it has to be MOPAR.

Street rods too, if its a Mopar keep the engine Mopar too, otherwise, no second look from me. Same goes for a Ford with a Chev engine...why?

Don't get me wrong, I like most old cars, just wouldn't own anything else than the best and coolest :toothy10:

I bought a 1922 Dodge that had a Chevy motor in it; I yanked the motor and got a '38 Plymouth drive train for it.

They should be Mopar. It sucks that there are so many 350's laying around.

There is a guy that used to bring a really nice 1969 SS Camaro to the Mopar show, he had a 440 in it with MP valve covers. He sure got looks at the entry gate, they wouldn't let him, he popped the hood to show them it was "Mopar powered" and they let him in.

That is cool as heck. I would have loved to hang with that dude!

I have a friend in Wichita that built the coolest 62 bubble top Biscayne, with a Hemi in it. No expense was spared, it is absolutely perfect, and real clean in every way. The Chevy guys hate it, and give him a lot of crap, but I love it.

There is also a guy up here that shows up to some of the cruise nights, with a C5 Corvette, 426 Hemi powered. :-D

I like GM engines, if I ever wanted 750 to 1,000 hp it would be a big block chevy.. Had a buddy with a 79' malibu street car, that Bu would stand on it's rear bumper with an iron headed BBC, 144mph in the 1/4..

Here's that BBC Malibu hitting the wall at 122 mph...

Why is it that many times I see a older DODGE custom rod or DODGE 50s - 60s - 70s pickups have Chevy 350s in them?? :banghead: What the heck is wrong with a 360 or whatever MOPAR engine? Is it the fit on an older vehicle? I know 350s are plentiful, but these vehicles are custom . . . they should have the correct engines. Just my 2 cents . . . :toothy10: Drives me nuts, Rog

Here's another example:
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I don't know if any of you seen it, but Hot Rod magizine ran an artical a while back when somebody put a Toyota engine in a mint condition '67 Camaro RS/SS. Man you shoulda heard the Chevy guys crying. It's not that cool when the shoe's on the other foot. LOL

I owned and like em all. Its just that mopars are in my blood from birth. My dad wouldn't drive anything but a Chrysler 300.

The sbc is the most boring powerplant that I can think of. Even in OLD Chevy hot rods, it is about as exciting as a snail race. I will never figure out why people set out to build something different and then they put a Chevy motor
in it. Defeating the purpose to say the least. Everybody has one.

If I were building a GM rod of some type, it would get a Buick,Olds,or Cadillac motor. A Mopar motor if I can figure out the mounts. A sbc in an old Ford even bothers me now because it is done to death. But hey, if they wanna be like everyone else, go for it.


A local guy has a '67 Barracuda with a sbc in it. Why not just buy a Chevy????

A Mopar in my yard will only ever have a Mopar motor in it. PERIOD. If it's from 1920 something till now..doesn't matter.

"A Mopar only deserves a Mopar engine"...

Whats the difference ,mopar with a chevy engine or a mopar with a chevy hood.I say instead of all the chevy stuff on or in a mopar just buy a chevy.

The sbc is the most boring powerplant that I can think of. Even in OLD Chevy hot rods, it is about as exciting as a snail race. I will never figure out why people set out to build something different and then they put a Chevy motor
in it. Defeating the purpose to say the least. Everybody has one.

If I were building a GM rod of some type, it would get a Buick,Olds,or Cadillac motor. A Mopar motor if I can figure out the mounts. A sbc in an old Ford even bothers me now because it is done to death. But hey, if they wanna be like everyone else, go for it.


A local guy has a '67 Barracuda with a sbc in it. Why not just buy a Chevy????

A Mopar in my yard will only ever have a Mopar motor in it. PERIOD. If it's from 1920 something till now..doesn't matter.

"A Mopar only deserves a Mopar engine"...

I think the theory behind most SBC swaps is "bang for the buck", it costs more to build a buick, olds or pontiac then it does to build a mopar engine.. A ford small block you gotta get pretty radical with them to make any serious power, I remember a car craft artical a few years back (mite have been hot rod it was one of those mags) this dude took a 160,000 mile junk yard 350, stuck it in a mid 80's model firebird, twin turboed it on the cheap and that car ran 140+ in the 1/4...

To me it is alot like sleeping with your sister. I will let you draw the analogy.

I would rather eat poop than have a chevy motor in my dart

Anudder one . . . . .
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[QUOTE=Popdart;1355674]Anudder one . . . . .

A 305 even, that dude got cheap on that build, a 305 is a crapper for building any power.. I can see why a lot of street rodders use chevy engines, 1-wire alts, HEI and their cheap engines to build and fit in about anything...

I would rather eat poop than have a chevy motor in my dart
lmao . . . .

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A 305 even, that dude got cheap on that build, a 305 is a crapper for building any power.. I can see why a lot of street rodders use chevy engines, 1-wire alts, HEI and their cheap engines to build and fit in about anything...
That seriously makes me sick to look at.:sad4:

I am guilty of this.. it wasnt my idea as the car already had the engine in it. The 41 Chrysler Business Coupe I bought for my wife has a 37 Chevy front end with a 350/350 9 inch combo on a chevy frame.

Granted, if i ever need to replace the engine/trans, i will be looking for a 318/360/727 combo for it.

I have found out why everyone does this. The alternator and bracket needed to be replaced. It had a GM 60 amp alt and a funky turnbuckle high mount bracket, that looked flimsy and all heck, as well as when running it shook like crazy, i could see it breaking anytime.

a new 100 amp chevy alt, chrome $100, new style bracket $150, just for kicks i tried searching for a chrysler mount and couldnt find it, the 100 amp reman alternator was $200, with a $14 core.

The car had been sitting for 5 yrs and the ignition module went out on me. I decided to to a whole tune up on the 350.

plugs, wires, HEI cap, coil, module, rotor, all together was $75 at NAPA.

I have always been a purist too, Chrysler in a Chrysler, at least in race cars and muscle cars, but i see why most street rodders have gm stuff, no matter what body they have, ease of application, and everything is dirt cheap, a plus when everything else in street rod land is expensive as heck, body parts, body work, interior customizing, etc

I have never been a GM fan, i am a die hard Mopar fan, my sons Monte Carlo knows this and hates me, i like being original and having something that not a whole lot of other people have and am willing to pay the higher Mopar price, at least the registration on the Street Rod says 41 Chrysler.

i always figured the guys that built these cars were not loyal to any one car company and would look for the most common drivetrain to put in old iron. easy and inexpensive compared to other setups i guess.

i always figured the guys that built these cars were not loyal to any one car company and would look for the most common drivetrain to put in old iron. easy and inexpensive compared to other setups i guess.

I think so too, especially this car, he was the owner of Midnight Auto, which i think is Buffalo Restoration now in Puyallup Wa.

He probably wanted to get it on the road as soon as possible, as it was pretty unique and i guess it won all sorts of awards. Since he was actually putting the money out for it, he probably didnt want to spend a ton of money on the drive train.

i always figured the guys that built these cars were not loyal to any one car company and would look for the most common drivetrain to put in old iron. easy and inexpensive compared to other setups i guess.

Exactly, you can find an old junked out 70-81 camaro or firebird and you'll have your average street rod complete front end, rear end, and if you're lucky a 350 engine, tranny and drive shaft..

Nuther one . . . .
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[QUOTE=Popdart;1355674]Anudder one . . . . .

A 305 even, that dude got cheap on that build, a 305 is a crapper for building any power.. I can see why a lot of street rodders use chevy engines, 1-wire alts, HEI and their cheap engines to build and fit in about anything...

I hate them in Mopar street rods lol..
I have a '41 Dodge pickup that I am putting a 318 into although it does have a GM 1 wire alternator. I'm just saying that building something different is pointless if you end up putting a sbc into it.

Oh and that 305 into that '40 Plymouth...ruined another cool old Plymouth.
305's IMO are not worth building.

Saw a 50's dodge pickup with a corvette engine in it yesterday
There has to be alot of Corvettes missing their engines. Every Cheby guy you talk to has a corvette engine. What if we would a say we have Cuda engines in our cars.

There has to be alot of Corvettes missing their engines. Every Cheby guy you talk to has a corvette engine. What if we would a say we have Cuda engines in our cars.
I know someone who has the reverse. '73 Barracuda with a 360 in it from a '74 Duster. She bought it this way back in the early '80s, the guy bought a pretty nice Duster and pulled the blown 318 out of the Barracuda and dropped that Duster's 360 in and he romped on it for about 2 years and scrapped the Duster.

The flat head Ford and the 1st gen hemi are the engines of hot rodders traditionally not SBC. Some traditional period correct hot rods use a hot 4cyl because those were the engines availible during the times as well. Not many 283's were ever stuffed into hotrods.

This is completely untrue. There weren't all that many oldschool rods with hemis, they were simply not that many available. Oldschool included NOT ONLY the engines you mentioned, but SBC as well AND other things like Olds, Poncho, Buick, Caddy, and a few others.

As someone else said, "it all changed after 1955"

You can't judge the "general population" of rods by some chromed-up roadster show, either.

(Never forget the line Peter Fonda said in "Cannonball Run" after he saw some overdone T-bucket affair, "Ugliest f*ckin' car I ever saw--looks like a jukebox."

I want to build a bucket with a dual side drafted Slant six with zoomies, 8 1/4 axle and a manual trans to boot....
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There is a guy in this area who built a hot rod "Dodge" roadster. Actually it's a 23 glass bucket T body with a cut-down original 20's vintage Dodge grille shell. It has an 8-3/4 rear end, 904, and a /6. The slanty has a 4 barrel and 6 individual, parallel, chrome pipes with baffles that start out pointing to the ground then flow back parallel to the ground. He had a muffler shop bend 6 identical tubes and he welded them to a flange and had it chromed.

He's a retired shop teacher and when he built it 15 or so years ago, his students helped a little with the build and he did the whole thing for less than $2000. It has a roof and he and his wife would drive it to out-of-state street rod shows getting great gas mileage. I have not seen him for about 5 years but I should have a picture of it in my archives. I thought it was cool as hell.

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Anyone see the current HOT ROD mag? There is a "garage scene" article and one of the cars is a rodded Desoto Airflow. The builder has an outrageous quote there that goes something like this:
"I think Walter P. Chrysler would be pleased with what I've done to update his car." :thefinge:
(It now has an LS1, 9" Ford rear, MustangII front suspension, etc.)

ARE YOU F'g KIDDING ME? Doesn't this moron comprehend what Walter's last name was? (hint: it's not Fordolet) I think WPC would liked to have seen a 3G hemi or new Pentastar V-6 in there.

Geeeeez guys, pretty strong feelings about engine swaps. I'm an old fart who's been a Chevy guy for 35 years. Now wanting to get back into a nice
A-body. However, I like all small block V-8 engines to even include AMC. They are all similar and if I have a vehicle (any make) without an engine and I have an engine from a different make, I'll certainly consider installing that engine. I don't think this way just to be a butthead, but rather it is economic. I have many times wanted to install a 318 into my old '65 El Camino, but found it cheaper to stay SBC. If a 318 were in my possession, the Chevy woulda been Mopared in a heartbeat. Now, dammit, if I get my beloved Dart GT project and it's engineless, heck, I'd consider anything smallblock. Preferrably a 360 Mopar, of course, but at least a smallblock V-8. I get a kick outa the sound of the Mopar starter motor. Takes me back about 45 years to my '66 GT.

OK, now I'm finished griping. I feel better now. I just remembered an engine swap that I saw some years ago and I loved it--y'all will too. I'd stopped at my favorite parts store where a friend worked and out front with the hood up was a red '57 T-Bird with a 318 in it. Sure beats a Y-block Ford engine. Tickled the heck outa me. Sounded really cool when the guy started that T-Bird.

Jerry

.......Sure beats a Y-block Ford engine...........

Y block Fords are one I've never cared for, but there's a guy who calls his pickup the "flying yellow brick" that's done pretty good with 'em

Would YOU drive a 57 Ford 124 mph?

YouTube - ‪'57 F 100 Dyno test "Flying Yellow Brick"‬‏

YouTube - ‪Bonneville Record Run "Flying Yellow Brick"‬‏

I put Chevy Small Blocks in my destruction derby cars becouse they are dirt cheap and parts are highly avaiable. I can send any of my pit crew to the local parts store and they can bring my back any part I need. The one wire HEI is convienient as well as the 1 wire alternator although I have been running without an alternator for some time now. As for my dart, I am always waiting on Summit or Jegs for parts. Would I ever put a Chevy Motor in my Dart, never. A C body derby car, guilty.

Made me sad that he calls himself a Mopar guy yet thinks LS1s are superior to any Mopar engine

I like mopars, but your buddy is right. Sorry, but the LSx motor is one hell of a design that mopar hasnt quite equalled yet.


As for the OPs Q, my buddy has a 350 in his old 30s plymouth and the reason is very simple. Space. A 360 is wider than a 350.

I like mopars, but your buddy is right. Sorry, but the LSx motor is one hell of a design that mopar hasnt quite equalled yet.


As for the OPs Q, my buddy has a 350 in his old 30s plymouth and the reason is very simple. Space. A 360 is wider than a 350.
Honestly, I think an SRT-10 would murder an LS1 easy:afro:

Honestly, I think an SRT-10 would murder an LS1 easy:afro:

Unfortunately, no bro. If you compare the current SRT-10 to the current top of the heap LS motor (the LS9) it's a no. Even compared to the Caddy variant. It's a no.

sbc's are tiny, they fit in almost anything, are cheap, parts a plentiful & dime a dozen.

Down sides are that they are a pieces of sht, they have no room for big stroke, crack prone, studs pull out, rods twist up, main caps walk, crummy plug angle, chamber shape reminds me of a coffee can, lifters are tiny, intake ports are too flat and short...the list go's on..

350 chevy= designed by idiots for idiots.

sbc's are tiny, they fit in almost anything, are cheap, parts a plentiful & dime a dozen.

Down sides are that they are a pieces of sht, they have no room for big stroke, crack prone, studs pull out, rods twist up, main caps walk, crummy plug angle, chamber shape reminds me of a coffee can, lifters are tiny, intake ports are too flat and short...the list go's on..

350 chevy= designed by idiots for idiots.
dumb ass engine swap=any gm engine in any mopar.can't even tolerate the street rod set doing that.damn we can all swap in chevies in our rides and hope the world does end tommorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!and car craft you suck!my 360 would be sweet in that duster,but no,we're swapping in a chevy.now i can't stomach any magazine out there.SELL OUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!help mr. wizard...

True story.

C7 owning friend got into a dustup with a Viper. C7 claimed victory. Some of you Winnipeg folk may have heard the tale. Claim was both cars made it from Altona to Winnipeg in a little over 15 minutes. Reenactment below. (maybe not quite as depicted).

YouTube - ‪"Prepare for.....Ludacrous Speed"!!!‬‏

Honestly, I think an SRT-10 would murder an LS1 easy:afro:

Shouldn't it be telling when you compare the top of the heap(mopar) to one of the least powerful versions of the LS motor? I think even the current LS 4.8 has more power than the LS1.

i'll get slapped for this but...

do you like a chick with a...SURPRISE!...wang??

then dont put that thing under the hood lol...

i'll get slapped for this but...

do you like a chick with a...SURPRISE!...wang??

then dont put that thing under the hood lol...

Using the "crying game" defense? lol

To OP,

I agree. I'm not a fan of Chevy motors in Mopars etc. And as other posters have already said.........stuffin' a 350 w/ Edy carb isnt all that creative.

However, If I was building a hot rod and was going to put a "foreign" motor into a mopar it would be something slightly more interesting. Maybe a crazy 327 or 396 with 4 two barrel carbs or 8 singles......

Or with an aftermarket block and a stock 454 crank I could make a 531 ci fun block. With the aftermarket blocks out there you can put together huge big blocks with bore x stroke ratios similar to the Chevy 302 etc.

Could put a Slant 8 emblem on the side too

To OP,

I agree. I'm not a fan of Chevy motors in Mopars etc. And as other posters have already said.........stuffin' a 350 w/ Edy carb isnt all that creative.

However, If I was building a hot rod and was going to put a "foreign" motor into a mopar it would be something slightly more interesting. Maybe a crazy 327 or 396 with 4 two barrel carbs or 8 singles......

Or with an aftermarket block and a stock 454 crank I could make a 531 ci fun block. With the aftermarket blocks out there you can put together huge big blocks with bore x stroke ratios similar to the Chevy 302 etc.

Could put a Slant 8 emblem on the side too

A 396 is a huge engine for an old 30s-50s car. Bigger engines require more cutting/hacking.

To OP,

I agree. I'm not a fan of Chevy motors in Mopars etc. And as other posters have already said.........stuffin' a 350 w/ Edy carb isnt all that creative.

However, If I was building a hot rod and was going to put a "foreign" motor into a mopar it would be something slightly more interesting. Maybe a crazy 327 or 396 with 4 two barrel carbs or 8 singles......

Or with an aftermarket block and a stock 454 crank I could make a 531 ci fun block. With the aftermarket blocks out there you can put together huge big blocks with bore x stroke ratios similar to the Chevy 302 etc.

Could put a Slant 8 emblem on the side too

just had to through the slant under the bus eh! lol

Would I put a Chevy in my Mopar? Hell to no. Will I bash putting a sbc in a street rod? No.
The thing is, if you're talking about hot rods, it's about broke a$$ guys building fast cars on a budget. I love my 340 and will take my 340 over a 350 anyday. If I'm building a lil 32 HiBoy for me to bomb around in, it would probably get a 350. Flame away if you want, but if I'm driving it, I'm driving it for me. I know what I have in my 340. I know what I could build a 350 for kicking around it wouldn't be as much. Sure other options, like a Nailhead, Olds, Caddy, or Flathead would be more visually interesting for YOU, but they are a PIA to work on, find parts for, are too heavy for the power they made. Why do you think them guys in the late fifties started ripping their flatheads out and started dropping SBCs into their rods? That's not to say that if the right 33 Plymouth came along I wouldn't be dropping my 340 in it. I would, because I have a good Mopar motor and I can.

You folks do realize that you do owe a little respect to the little Chevy motor? If it wasn't for that little motor, we'ld be boasting about the cool valve covers on our Poly 318s.

broke guys 'real broke guys' cant afford to build a roller skate.

The last street rod I saw must have had 12-18k into it, of corse...maybe all those parts were given to the poor blokes....and the car..LOL

Todays/other peoples concept of broke amazes me.

chevy had right with the 327, almost...-461x heads/steel crank/decent rod ratio..it was after they heard about the 273 being stretched 318...and that being stretched to 340cid that they did the 350 crap in '67....which was also the first casting runs of 340's.

The term peanut motor originally came out of the tiny lil sbc

SACRILEDGE, TOTAL SACRILEDGE, PUT A HEMI IN A VETTE AND SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES TO MAKE A PILE OF FIBERGLASS! On the other hand my friend once had a 53 Ford pickup with a 340 Totally Rad

9 out of 10 people at a car show wouldnt know the difference between the two motors anyway (chevy/mopar), I just use a chevy transmission in mine.

Would I put a Chevy in my Mopar? Hell to no. Will I bash putting a sbc in a street rod? No.
The thing is, if you're talking about hot rods, it's about broke a$$ guys building fast cars on a budget. I love my 340 and will take my 340 over a 350 anyday. If I'm building a lil 32 HiBoy for me to bomb around in, it would probably get a 350. Flame away if you want, but if I'm driving it, I'm driving it for me. I know what I have in my 340. I know what I could build a 350 for kicking around it wouldn't be as much. Sure other options, like a Nailhead, Olds, Caddy, or Flathead would be more visually interesting for YOU, but they are a PIA to work on, find parts for, are too heavy for the power they made. Why do you think them guys in the late fifties started ripping their flatheads out and started dropping SBCs into their rods? That's not to say that if the right 33 Plymouth came along I wouldn't be dropping my 340 in it. I would, because I have a good Mopar motor and I can.

You folks do realize that you do owe a little respect to the little Chevy motor? If it wasn't for that little motor, we'ld be boasting about the cool valve covers on our Poly 318s.

I'd take a 318 over a 350. I know what to do to them :thumbup:

Exactly, you can find an old junked out 70-81 camaro or firebird and you'll have your average street rod complete front end, rear end, and if you're lucky a 350 engine, tranny and drive shaft..


But a Diplomat/FA/Gran Fury can supply all of it as well. Those are cheap cars and there are many 318's out there for dirt cheap or free.

I'd take a 318 over a 350. I know what to do to them :thumbup:

I'm happy for you. But it doesn't really relate to my post that you quoted.

I'm happy for you. But it doesn't really relate to my post that you quoted.

I think the LA engine is a better design than the sbc.

I think the LA engine is a better design than the sbc.

I do too, but that wasn't my point.

I am a mopar guy, but :heart:I like the Chevy LS engines....alot.:heart:

Not that I have given any thought to a engine swap or anything.....8-)

Use the GTO front sump oil pan.

For headers, inexpensive Pacesetter, BBK, or cheap Borla clone ebay headers for a 2010 Camaro will probably fit behind the draglink of our mopars. The big if, is the torsion bar clearance on the passenger side. LS engines have the starter over there, so room is tight. On a B-body, fitment should be a bit better.

Inexpensive performance like this can cause one to ponder powerplant loyalty.

An acquaintance has a 2900lb fox body with a stock, junkyard longblock iron chevy LQ4 6.0 with stock LS3/L92 heads running 9.80's @ 137 on pump gas.
- Simple Carbed combo, 239/247@.050 110lsa+4 cam & 1 7/8 headers are the only ingredients.
- Same combo in a 2900lb car on pump swill through the mufflers runs 9.97@135.
- Same combo in a 3700lb vehicle is running 10.70's at 125.

Kinda compelling, no?

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i have a friend who puts 350s in everything he builds. but hes never put one in a mopar. he does have one in a 28 ford and a 70 bug. both will pull the front wheels. i myself will not own a chevy nor put one in my mopar.

I like mopars, but your buddy is right. Sorry, but the LSx motor is one hell of a design that mopar hasnt quite equalled yet.


Wrong, the Gen 3 Hemi is much better than the LS.

As for the Chevy swaps, hell you can go down to the corner 7-11 and buy parts for them.

What kills me about the 350 swaps / installations is this :
seems that more often than not , all of those "roadsters" and '32/'33 Fords are outright "put-it-on-my-GoldCard" builds ; cost is no object .

A sbc in a true-to-the-term "Rat Rod" is acceptable , imo , but only if that's the only motor that's layin' 'round when the rod's being built !!

I like all makes and models . I'd gladly take a LT-1 '70 Nova , a GS-X Buick , 401 Gremlin , 351 Cleveland Mach 1 , etc. , etc.

Years ago , I saw a decent 50's Dodge truck rollin' down Florence Ave in Huntington Park ( a crappy area east of downtown L.A. ) , being piloted by a Carson Skin ( an absolutely huge Samoan dude ! ) .
I was driving next to him ; we both came to a red light . I was in my work truck , wearing my work regalia .
I said : 'Cool truck , bradah ! '
He said : " Yeah, thanks, bradah! Too bad some dip shit put a fuc*in' 350 in it . Know anyone with a 318 or a 360 or something ? ".

I like the idea of building a 6-popper or an Olds , Buick , Pontiac or Caddy V8 ( I especially like the Buick Nail-Head motors'
appearance ! ) .
A 170 or 225 looks bad ass in an exposed-motor 'rod .

Now ... where did I leave my Platinum Card and Boyd's shop's number ? I've got me a fibreglas and billitt itch that only a bright ass red 3 window coupe with a 350/350/9" and gross wheels can cure !

The guy a block over from me is one of those guys who spots a car and gets a project in mind, then pays folks to do it for him. Since I have known him he has had a 23 bucket, a 40 Ford, a 46 Chev Pickup, a 67 mustang GT, a 37 Ford Sedan Delivey , a 35 Buick and a 50 Merc. Every one has had a "Corvette engine" and a Ford 9" When I ask him why he always wants a Chevy engine in 'em he says its for economical puroses. Pay someone to build your hotrod and then have concerns about engine economy.....Ya Right!

ive seen a few chevys in mopars in my day,but ive seen mopar motors in other make,one that caught my eye was a 440 in a 68 mustang

some Kadiddlehoppers got hold of a '65 AMC Marlin that was largely-original and in good condition .

It had the Nash 327 / Borg-Warner "Flash-O-Matic" / stock torque-tube drive train .

These mud heads yanked the original motor-trans-diff combo , and replaced 'em with a god damned 350-350-10 Bolt trifecta!!!

I was so pissed !!! These bozos got paid to do this shit !!!

I asked them -- nicely , because I'm at work and on the clock :-# -- why they didn't either just leave it alone , or at least swap-in an AMC 360 / TorqueCommand / Dana 44 combo ...

... their reply : " that's too much work" .

REALLY ?!?!?!?
And disgracing it with that 99 Cent Store drive train combo wasn't "too much work" ?!?!?!? :shaking::drinkers:[-(

Was at Spring Carlisle, Saw a vendor with trannies and asked if they made the 518 conversion crossmembers. THe guy said no but we make automatics for that. I stopped him there and asked if they were the Chevy's. when he said 'Yes', I said 'NO'.

Bad enough to use the Edelbrock heads I want I got to use Chevy stud mtd roller rockers. grrrrrr. Oh well, their Harland Sharpe and their Edelbrock heads, and it will make nice performance upgrade.

Was at Spring Carlisle, Saw a vendor with trannies and asked if they made the 518 conversion crossmembers. THe guy said no but we make automatics for that. I stopped him there and asked if they were the Chevy's. when he said 'Yes', I said 'NO'.

Bad enough to use the Edelbrock heads I want I got to use Chevy stud mtd roller rockers. grrrrrr. Oh well, their Harland Sharpe and their Edelbrock heads, and it will make nice performance upgrade.

So I'm guessing the 6-71 blower and way modded Powerglide in the 9 sec. drag car ain't doing it for you either.

you cant force people to like something.

I had a friend that was a die hard mopar fan, his dad gave him a 74 Ford F250 with a 390 in it. The first thing he did was pull the motor and tranny and put a 440/727 in it. Another friend of mine has a 1950 Mercury Convertible with a 360/727 and a 1955 F100 with a 383/727. I'm also a die hard Mopar fan and would rather blow up a Mopar with a Chivvy engine in it rather than seeing it suffer:-D Another friend of mine thinks a car isn't a rod unless it's got a chivvy drive train. He also thinks it cheaper too! I proved him wrong when a friend of mine built a 47 Chrylser and put a 383/727 in it. Cost him half what it cost my other friend to put a 350/350/10 bolt in a 48 Plymouth, plus the 47 was faster and more fun to drive, plus you could hear the stereo system he put in it, the 48 shook rattled and made all kinds of noice while driving and you could hear the radio. Also, did I mention I hate chivvies in mopars or anything other than a chivvy:-D

Dan in Silicon Valley

Guilty as charged. Put an ls Chevy motor in my a body last year. Took it out without ever completing it. Now its hemi time, but Ford rear and Chevy glide. Sorry, but it is my car.

So I'm guessing the 6-71 blower and way modded Powerglide in the 9 sec. drag car ain't doing it for you either.

Nope...sorry

Guilty as charged. Put an ls Chevy motor in my a body last year. Took it out without ever completing it. Now its hemi time, but Ford rear and Chevy glide. Sorry, but it is my car.

That's right...YOUR CAR. I've been saying that same thing since I started redoing my Dart and people kept telling me what I should and shouldn't do. If that combo is what you want and fits...Have at it!!!

I had a 78 camaro with a built 350. Loved it to death. i love all classic cars...but... Its just flat out wrong to swap engines of a different make. If someone doesnt have the money to build a strong mopar engine for their mopar... then they shouldnt build one. They should save up the money and do it right. just my .02

I have a 350 in my 53 Plymouth it also has a S-10 front clip. A friend of mine had the v8 S-10 and he gave it to me and we did all the installation at his house in his garage with his tools. I gave him 4 1947 ford trucks enough to build two trucks. My 53 is built as a Kustom so the hood never gets opened. If it gets opened I have a Pentestar mounted upside down and AntiChrysler name painted on the fire wall. In the past I have had big and small block Mopars Chevrolets and Fords from flat heads to big blocks. Some times stuff just falls into place and you take what karma gives you.

I doubt I'll actually go through with it, but I have thought about putting this fresh 440 I have sitting around into my F100 shortbed. Mostly because i'm getting sick of hearing how great FE's are. It just ain't so.

I am seeing more hemis in fords lately does that help to off set my Chev in a plymouth:razz:

I wouldn't want a Chevy engine in a Chevy. Much less my dart. Don't like Chevy, sorry. I tried to. But my blazer was the straw that broke the camels back, "the 4.3 runs strong" my ass. Two motors and a tranny later, I begged god for my f-150 back. 4.2 with almost 200,000 abused miles and ran like a champ. Just couldnt keep up with payments.


I will drive and love a mopar or Ford all day long. But I'm at least done with older Chevy trucks.

Gimme a 50's Chevy pick up. 80's Camero, or the new camero, and I might drive a Chevy again...


Sorry for the rant.

Ford engine in a Chevy?
http://www.stangtv.com/news/twin-turbo-ford-powered-%E2%80%9968-camaro/

Ok, here we go again . . . the Fast and Furious Charger R/T?? Check the engine . . .

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fast-and-Furious-70-Charger-REAL-MOVIE-CAR-Full-Docs-/160609816223?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2565174e9f

oh god im not goingto go there 66 dart with a ford in it that all im saying im not wrighting it tonight

Why do all these people put these shi**y non Mopar engines in Chrysler products and claim they love Mopars?

If they do, why'd they bother disgracing the car like that?

Because inferior parts cost less money. That and people are idiots

Mostly because i'm getting sick of hearing how great FE's are. It just ain't so.

They are good motors, you just need to find a builder that knows them and there are not that many of them. My dad has a Merc 410 in 76 High boy that will scare you to death. There are (like all engine family's) crappy ones (read the 360 FE) but a nice hight compression 390 with good heads will make great power and they are fairly light weight for their size (when you ditch the iron intake that is).

Looking at the GM crate motor selections and prices you have to wonder if Mopar is ever going to step up to the plate. Get rid of the 410 six pac for 12K and crate hemis that the average people here can't afford. GM warranties their crate motors too and you can't beat the HP to money ratio in all truth. That 572 motor is pretty damn impressive. When will they bring back a variety of plug/play reasonably priced motors that we can choose from?
So we have a small block 390 hp, 435 hp and ??????

Looking at the GM crate motor selections and prices you have to wonder if Mopar is ever going to step up to the plate. Get rid of the 410 six pac for 12K and crate hemis that the average people here can't afford. GM warranties their crate motors too and you can't beat the HP to money ratio in all truth. That 572 motor is pretty damn impressive. When will they bring back a variety of plug/play reasonably priced motors that we can choose from?
So we have a small block 390 hp, 435 hp and ??????

Yea..sad isn't it?

You can buy a really stout GM crate engine for like $6k...

They are good motors, you just need to find a builder that knows them and there are not that many of them. My dad has a Merc 410 in 76 High boy that will scare you to death. There are (like all engine family's) crappy ones (read the 360 FE) but a nice hight compression 390 with good heads will make great power and they are fairly light weight for their size (when you ditch the iron intake that is).

I just noticed almost everything in your signature has a v8. Awesome! :toothy7:

Looking at the GM crate motor selections and prices you have to wonder if Mopar is ever going to step up to the plate. Get rid of the 410 six pac for 12K and crate hemis that the average people here can't afford. GM warranties their crate motors too and you can't beat the HP to money ratio in all truth. That 572 motor is pretty damn impressive. When will they bring back a variety of plug/play reasonably priced motors that we can choose from?
So we have a small block 390 hp, 435 hp and ??????

To add to that. Chevy is offering their LS motors in a CARB certified, smog legal swap package. It ain't cheap, but it isn't over the top expensive, either. Ma Mopar ain't even close on that. Wouldn't it be nice to put a 392 in your Aspen R/T and not get grief from the state smog nazis? (I would love to hear one through a set of LRE stacks).

I'm gonna catch hell for it, but I think my Jeep is going LS/4L60. I keep running the numbers and looking for info, but at this point going with a 5.7 and matching trans doesn't get me to where I want to be. And I'm sorry, that AMC 360 is a flat out dog. I tried with it, I really tried, but I just hate that frakking motor. Besides, it's a Grand Wagoneer with GM electrics, Ford ignition, Chrysler trans and driveline and an AMC motor. From the factory. I'm not sure I'm actually bound by brand loyalty on this pup at this point. I just want to go fishing........

My Val still gets it's stroker 340. My Roadrunner still has it's 440. I think I'm good.

To each their own. When the SBC came out is was pretty revolutionary for it's time, GM milked it to death and got a good ROI. There are better and worse engines. It used to make me made to see a fiberglass 32 Ford 3 window coupe with a 350/350 combo. But know I laugh at the owners failed attempt a street rod, which was a mix of art, style and creativity, that is now cookie cutter.

Bottom line, don't let it get to you, it doesn't really matter. All that money they save going to the cheaper engine and part is used to cobble it into a place it didn't belong.

A Rat still can't beat an Elephant.

Im basterdizing a mustang with an ls Chevy right now. Saving the dart for a hemi.

Im basterdizing a mustang with an ls Chevy right now. Saving the dart for a hemi.

It's only really fun if you take it to a Mustang meet.

It's only really fun if you take it to a Mustang meet.

It will be my first trip for a cruise in here locally.

Ok..If you took away the availability of parts and cheap prices, what would make a SBC so much better than anything else??

Ok..If you took away the availability of parts and cheap prices, what would make a SBC so much better than anything else??

a monkey can build one and there are more chevies around than honey huts....