Any help planning a build that will be cost effecive ?

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Hey guys need some help assembling ideas and a plan for doing a newer hemi swap into my 1970 dart I want to get this done as cost-effectively as possible but I also want everything done right that will last, it will be my daily driver if this could be a going list of people adding suggestions on what to do what to buy and where to get it that would be great
 
Cheap ? :eek:

Off of the top of my head...
A carbureted setup saves a bunch of electrical and computer work and $$$, MSD makes a stand alone ignition setup. Jeep exhaust manifolds seem to fit many applications. A mild 727 with an 11" converter with a Bouchillon or Lokar cable kickdown solves the downshift issues. You'll need an 8 1/4" or 8 3/4" axle. A 7 1/4" axle is a waste of time.
 
In my head, it's hard to say "budget" but cost effective can be done. Just read as much as possible here to figure out what factory parts can interchange to work in a swap. That way you keep from buying all the fancy aftermarket stuff...

I think the cost of a hemi carb intake, a nice carb, and the MSD ign controller really isn't that much less than a standalone harness and a early truck ECU set up from one of the vendors. The only real savings from going carb is that the fuel system is way cheaper.

But, if it is going to be a daily, a carb is not even in the ballpark for ease of drivability of a factory tuned ECU/EFI car.

Otherwise I agree with kern dog. Manifolds, old school trans, (I'd go 904 with low gear set to improve efficiency) tighter converter and mild gears...

Joe
 
The way I've always dreamed of doing it is to buy a complete wrecked vehicle from a local auction yard... If you think about it, theoretically, you will be purchasing almost everything you need to get the motor running.. all you have to buy is the adapting components (engine mounts, flex plate, oil pan, etc...). This is how I've always planned to do my hemi swap.

Let's say you find a wrecked '08 Ram at your local Copart auction. The truck has been nailed in the driver's side pretty hard, obviously totaled, but the mechanical components are for the most part fine. If you buy the truck even for a total of ~$1,500, you still have many of the components you need that would otherwise have to be purchased or fabricated. Obviously, you're gonna have to do some of that anyway, but my theory is that this method of doing it would save some money. So, what can you pull out of the truck?

Well, obviously you get a 5.7L Hemi engine (hopefully), and if you're lucky, you might be able to scrounge some exhaust components. Regardless, if you're going for cheap, there are some 5.7 factory manifolds from certain vehicles that will fit in an A-body. On top of the engine, you also get the complete wiring harness and ECU necessary to run the engine. You also get access to every computer and wiring harness on the truck (if you want to use the tranny as well). With a little patience and fabrication, you should be able to use either the truck's fuel pump or the entire fuel tank/pump assembly, depending on how far you want to go. No need to buy a new fuel tank or an EFI conversion kit. Now all you need to purchase for your fuel system is perhaps some EFI hose/line if you can't scrounge any from the truck already.
Depending on what you're comfortable with or what will fit, you might be able to use your existing radiator in your car, or you may have to buy a new one. Hell, the truck radiator might fit for all I know (but it probably won't). I certainly plan on trying to use the radiator already in my barracuda, it should be adequate for where I live (but I may have to cave in and buy a different one). If you really are going for budget, you can use the air filter assembly and piping from the truck as well.

I apologize for the wall of text that may or may not make sense, but I am essentially trying to say that in theory, according to my logic (which could be complete and total nonsense :poke:), it would be cheaper to buy a complete vehicle with a Hemi rather than buying just the engine from a scrapyard and buying the rest of the parts. I say this because, again, if you have a complete (wrecked) vehicle sitting in front of you, you should be able to forage for all of the little bits and pieces (air filter, fuel system, misc. wiring, sensors, etc.) that would normally nickel and dime you to death. You are definitely going to have to buy certain things (engine mounts, oil pan, flex plate, oil filter relocation, etc.), but you *theoretically* should be able to save at least a little something. And after you're done and your swap is complete, you now have a half-complete parts car that you can either part out or send to the crusher/scrap yard and get a little bit of return on your investment.

Again, this is all just heresay and I have no experience in doing this (yet). But it makes sense to me that for your (or at least my) purposes of having a cool, fun, daily driver with a little bit of get-up on the cheap, sourcing most of your parts from a wrecked vehicle would make sense. Mostly everything in your swap will be OE and designed and proven to fit together, and once again, you don't have to buy as many of the little things that end up costing you big time. No standalone ECU, no carb swap, as much OE as possible.

As a final note of this overly-long essay (sorry!), I would also like to know if I am completely screwed in the head. Feel free to tell me if I'm a dumbass. Anyways, cheers! I wish you the best of luck in your Hemi swap adventure! Please keep all of us updated on your fortunes and misfortunes!
 
The way I've always dreamed of doing it is to buy a complete wrecked vehicle from a local auction yard... If you think about it, theoretically, you will be purchasing almost everything you need to get the motor running.. all you have to buy is the adapting components (engine mounts, flex plate, oil pan, etc...). This is how I've always planned to do my hemi swap.

Let's say you find a wrecked '08 Ram at your local Copart auction. The truck has been nailed in the driver's side pretty hard, obviously totaled, but the mechanical components are for the most part fine. If you buy the truck even for a total of ~$1,500, you still have many of the components you need that would otherwise have to be purchased or fabricated. Obviously, you're gonna have to do some of that anyway, but my theory is that this method of doing it would save some money. So, what can you pull out of the truck?

Well, obviously you get a 5.7L Hemi engine (hopefully), and if you're lucky, you might be able to scrounge some exhaust components. Regardless, if you're going for cheap, there are some 5.7 factory manifolds from certain vehicles that will fit in an A-body. On top of the engine, you also get the complete wiring harness and ECU necessary to run the engine. You also get access to every computer and wiring harness on the truck (if you want to use the tranny as well). With a little patience and fabrication, you should be able to use either the truck's fuel pump or the entire fuel tank/pump assembly, depending on how far you want to go. No need to buy a new fuel tank or an EFI conversion kit. Now all you need to purchase for your fuel system is perhaps some EFI hose/line if you can't scrounge any from the truck already.
Depending on what you're comfortable with or what will fit, you might be able to use your existing radiator in your car, or you may have to buy a new one. Hell, the truck radiator might fit for all I know (but it probably won't). I certainly plan on trying to use the radiator already in my barracuda, it should be adequate for where I live (but I may have to cave in and buy a different one). If you really are going for budget, you can use the air filter assembly and piping from the truck as well.

I apologize for the wall of text that may or may not make sense, but I am essentially trying to say that in theory, according to my logic (which could be complete and total nonsense :poke:), it would be cheaper to buy a complete vehicle with a Hemi rather than buying just the engine from a scrapyard and buying the rest of the parts. I say this because, again, if you have a complete (wrecked) vehicle sitting in front of you, you should be able to forage for all of the little bits and pieces (air filter, fuel system, misc. wiring, sensors, etc.) that would normally nickel and dime you to death. You are definitely going to have to buy certain things (engine mounts, oil pan, flex plate, oil filter relocation, etc.), but you *theoretically* should be able to save at least a little something. And after you're done and your swap is complete, you now have a half-complete parts car that you can either part out or send to the crusher/scrap yard and get a little bit of return on your investment.

Again, this is all just heresay and I have no experience in doing this (yet). But it makes sense to me that for your (or at least my) purposes of having a cool, fun, daily driver with a little bit of get-up on the cheap, sourcing most of your parts from a wrecked vehicle would make sense. Mostly everything in your swap will be OE and designed and proven to fit together, and once again, you don't have to buy as many of the little things that end up costing you big time. No standalone ECU, no carb swap, as much OE as possible.

As a final note of this overly-long essay (sorry!), I would also like to know if I am completely screwed in the head. Feel free to tell me if I'm a dumbass. Anyways, cheers! I wish you the best of luck in your Hemi swap adventure! Please keep all of us updated on your fortunes and misfortunes!
Hey i appreciate all of this info i havent thought of doing the swap like this before but it seems like it would save me quite a bit of money thanks again for the post
 
Hey i appreciate all of this info i havent thought of doing the swap like this before but it seems like it would save me quite a bit of money thanks again for the post
No worries! Again, this is how I plan on doing mine. If you choose this route, just be wary of buying vehicles from the auction lot, as you're gonna have to be a bit patient to find the right one. So far, the main variables that I have had to consider are:
1. Damage area. Try to avoid vehicles that have heavy (like, major serious) frontal damage. It may bit a bit too wary, but heavy frontal damage could mean a damaged motor or radiator or what have you. If there isn't too much intrusion in the engine compartment (local Copart auction often post pictures of engine bay), then it will probably be okay. So far I have gravitated to vehicles with side or rear damage.
2. Rollover. Be careful of rollover vehicles. Usually a rollover (esp. severe) means some amount of oil starvation to the engine for a brief period of time, especially if the vehicle sat on its roof. You have no way of knowing the specifics of a particular vehicle, so it's better to just not risk it with a rollover vehicle.
3. Damage extend. You want to find something that is juuust wrecked enough for your purposes. Often times, vehicles with light damage will be purchased by individuals who then repair and flip them, or simply part them out. On the other end of the spectrum, you probably won't want to buy something that is so destroyed that the only tool suitable for disassembly is a sawsall and a plasma torch. Try to find something that can't be easily put back together, but won't be rocket surgery to take apart :)
4. Finally, mileage. You probably won't want a 220,000 mile engine in your car. Again, this is difficult to be picky about. You don't know how well the vehicle was maintained, etc. Personally, I try to find stuff in the 120k range, and I usually stop looking past ~175k miles.

Anyways, this is just one of the other options to consider. It was my first though because living in Alaska means very few junkyards or pick-n-pulls, and very expensive shipping. It also means a large truck population. Toss in a little bit of winter driving conditions, and presto... a plethora of Hemi Rams and Durangos that have been wrecked by poor driving or misfortune...
 
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