To hot exhaust manifold on 360

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68Dartvader

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Picked up a 68 270 with a 360 from previous owner installed. Been sitting for 3 years. So changed the cap plugs rotor and wires. Set timing seemed to be I'm running. Took for a spin and hot exhaust. Kept messing with timing bought a vacuum gague to help set timing. Still hot exhaust manifold. After a week of playing with it i finally realized I was off by 1 plug on the distributor. Thought you would all get a good laugh about this.
 
Set it at 18 and see what you get. Sounds like it's too advanced. I was too lazy to read the rest, glad you got it sorted out.

Jake
 
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Picked up a 68 270 with a 360 from previous owner installed. Been sitting for 3 years. So changed the cap plugs rotor and wires. Set timing seemed to be I'm running. Took for a spin and hot exhaust. Kept messing with timing bought a vacuum gague to help set timing. Still hot exhaust manifold. After a week of playing with it i finally realized I was off by 1 plug on the distributor. Thought you would all get a good laugh about this.


How did it not pop and bang? Usually when you off 1 on the cap they bang.
 
How did it not pop and bang? Usually when you off 1 on the cap they bang.
It has a "hot cam" I have no idea what cam is installed so was really loopie to start. It ran ok just no power. #1 was in #8 on the cap so it was retarded . But still ran . Even ran when the #7 spark plug wire was melting and then on fire. Lol
 
Welcome new member ! no problem, it's a Mopar you have to do something colossally stupid to break something major.


It has a "hot cam" I have no idea what cam is installed so was really loopie to start. It ran ok just no power. #1 was in #8 on the cap so it was retarded . But still ran . Even ran when the #7 spark plug wire was melting and then on fire. Lol
 
It has a "hot cam" I have no idea what cam is installed so was really loopie to start. It ran ok just no power. #1 was in #8 on the cap so it was retarded . But still ran . Even ran when the #7 spark plug wire was melting and then on fire. Lol
Too advanced on timing gives too hot an exhaust so I don't think you have it diagnosed fully. You need to look at the spark rotor position under the cap to see what the actual firing location is; the plugs can be rotated 1, 2 or more positions in the cap, and if the rotor is re-indexed with them, then timing will be fine.

This is similar to what another new member went through just a few weeks ago and we had a long thread on that. He could not get his 360 engine to idle smoothly at less than 50* timing advance. But no power. He was doing the same thing: setting timing with just a vacuum gauge. With a big cam in a low compression engine, that timing method is going to end up with waaaay too much timing advance.

With that big cam, you absolutely need to put a timing light on the thing and set timing that way, and abandon the vacuum gauge method. If it idles too rough, that is just a big cam talking to you.

Take some cranking compression readings and provide them here; this is important IMHO.

The other poster went through the whole process of checking cam timing, making sure the timing cover was right, put on a new damper, etc. Finally, when he provided compression readings, the reality dawned: he had such a big cam that the cranking compression was down around 100 psi and that was on a fresh rebuild! No wonder it would not idle smoothly with normal timing settings!

Here is that thread; the compression readings and all the realization of what was going on starts at post #38. Turned out the cam was a 278 duration (getting big but still not huge by any means). So you can easily go too big on the cam on any low compression engine.
LA360 initial timing too high - are there different timing covers?
 
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WELCOME - From Pa. -- The Guys, here, on FABO will help You get things sorted out.
 
Your timing is not right...

When we started Eddie's engine for the first time the headers got orange hot during cam break in... then I rechecked the timing and adjusted it about 10° and they stopped glowing for the rest of the break-in...
 
Your timing is not right...

When we started Eddie's engine for the first time the headers got orange hot during cam break in... then I rechecked the timing and adjusted it about 10° and they stopped glowing for the rest of the break-in...
Right on will pull some numbers tomorrow. Today messing around took another stab at it . And i i am glad to hear do not use the vacuum gague! Thanks will post more tomorrow!
 
The vacuum gauge method has it uses but also some shortcomings. If you can take some cranking compression readings, that would be really helpful.
 
????!!ADVANCED!!!???? Hot headers means the timing is RETARDED in my experience
 
here are some compression readings driver side # 1 110, # 3 105, #5 120, # 7 105.. .passanger side # 2 125, #4 110, # 6 112, #8 120. quite a spread thoughrs
 
A bit low on average versus stock but not as bad as I thought. Did your compression gauge have a threaded connection into the head or a simple press-in one? Put a timing light on it yet?
 
all work and no play!! got a it set 14 BTDC No red hot exaust manifold! power seems to be there. will have to runn it a bit longer to make sure
 
here are some compression readings driver side # 1 110, # 3 105, #5 120, # 7 105.. .passanger side # 2 125, #4 110, # 6 112, #8 120. quite a spread thoughrs

Thoughts?
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That's getting close to lawnmower territory.
Was the engine warm? and was the carb at WOT? and did you crank it until the pressure peaked: with a tight fitting, non-leaking, screw-in, gauge?
If not try again.

And yes glowing pipes can be from retarded timing; and the reason is cuz the mixture didn't finish burning in the chamber, and continues burning in the pipe,after the exhaust valve opens. This is even more likely if the mixture is overly rich, or lol, the cylinder pressure is very low, cuz then the fire starts slow and soft in the first place and never really gets going..... if your cylinder pressure is accurate, your engine needs help
 
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no not warm when i took the readings. i have the screw in will run some more numbers tomarrow. love a 4 day weekend!
 
all work and no play!! got a it set 14 BTDC No red hot exhaust manifold! power seems to be there. will have to run it a bit longer to make sure
There ya go!
IMHO, the compression numbers show worn on some cylinders but it could be variable due to how the gauge fitting seals on the spark plug holes, AND, if this thing has been sitting for 3 years, who knows how well the rings and valves are working (or sticking in the grooves), etc. I would run it a bit with some Marvel Mystery Oil or SeaFoam in the oil and retake the readings.
 
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