RTE Voltage Limiter install for 65 Dart

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I'm an electrical system novice and am installing the RTE IVR3 Voltage limiter on my 65 Dart. I read through all the RTE documentation I could find and am disabling the internal limiter in the fuel gauge but I'm not quite sure how to hook up the wiring to the CB.

One article on RTE said to wire from the condenser on the back of the circuit board even though it doesn't need the condenser (replacing external limiter), another shows how to wire it up RTE Gauge Faq - rte but my circuit board is different so I'm not quite sure which studs to wire to.

Can anyone show me with a circuit board pic, which studs to connect to?
 
I am doing that on my 66 Dart. Best thing I can tell you is get a field service Manual. The diagram will show you everything and it helped me tremendously. What wire ,gauge connections ETC. You can find them free on line-someone here can tell you where . Print what you need .
 
I did it like this:

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66 Darts have the standard plug in regulator. Am I missing something?
 
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Thanks for the pic. That helps a lot!

I also notice you have the replacement circuit board I just bought too. So what do you do with the 8 pins included with the CB? I assume they are for the plastic lenses which I will probably not use because going LED.
 
Thanks for the pic. That helps a lot!

I also notice you have the replacement circuit board I just bought too. So what do you do with the 8 pins included with the CB? I assume they are for the plastic lenses which I will probably not use because going LED.

yes they are to put the blue tint lenses onto the circuit card so the bulb show through blue. The trick is getting the lenses off the old circuit card without breaking them... Not finding a photo for that.

Jim
 
yes they are to put the blue tint lenses onto the circuit card so the bulb show through blue. The trick is getting the lenses off the old circuit card without breaking them... Not finding a photo for that.

Jim
I looked around the internet and searched the boards for advice on how to do it. Found nothing.
 
After I broke the tabs on a few I finally realized just clipping the old circuit board away from then then using some side cutter to cut the old rivet worked as good as anything else.
 
I am doing that on my 66 Dart. Best thing I can tell you is get a field service Manual. The diagram will show you everything and it helped me tremendously. What wire ,gauge connections ETC. You can find them free on line-someone here can tell you where . Print what you need .
The 66's have a separate plug in regulator unlike the 65's.
 
After I broke the tabs on a few I finally realized just clipping the old circuit board away from then then using some side cutter to cut the old rivet worked as good as anything else.
I was hoping to not damage the old circuit board. It could be reconditioned by someone. I'll probably just live without the lenses.
 
I was hoping to not damage the old circuit board. It could be reconditioned by someone. I'll probably just live without the lenses.

I had that same feeling but after I thought about it who would use a 50 year old circuit board that is or will delaminate in the near future. Just cut it.
 
I am not familiar with 65, but more the later “69” with the regulator in the fuel gauge.
I suggest a text to @RedFish!
 
The blue lens turns a yellowish incandescent glow to a coke bottle green lighting. Lens also serves as a catch can if a bulb should shatter. The later type sockets (5/8) and bulbs do fit these earlier boards but that type bulb can fall out of the socket easier.
There is info in a thread here about a ribbon of LEDs laid to the inside perimeter of the instrument housing. It's routed and wired through only 1 bulb/socket hole. Cover to close the other hole(s) and done. Result is much brighter. LEDs use less power and live longer than incandescent. No lens transplant req'd.
The odd clip in a square hole at upper fuel gauge stud was about ventilation, letting some limiter heat out of the fuel gauge. This was deemed unnecessary by 67 model. So you could put a regular nut there. if the limiter is gone the heat is gone.
I dont know that the clip is better or worse connector than the speedy nuts though. The speedy nuts contact only one thread of the stud. I use internal toothed washers and 10-32 hex nuts like what is on the amp gauge everywhere. 2 more dollars @ Home Depot.
One more thing,, What covers the traces on the circuit board is only ink. A metal can limiter should not be bolted down on top of a trace. The one shown above doesn't appear to be on top of a trace but its still depending on the pizz poor chassis ground of panel to dash mounting screws unless a dedicated ground wire is added. The limiter or regulator doesn't have to be on the back of the instrument panel. It can be anywhere under the dash, just like the signal flasher is nowhere near the signal switch. Easy enough to add wire length to it and mount it in a more practical/serviceable location and it will likely be better grounded also.
 
The blue lens turns a yellowish incandescent glow to a coke bottle green lighting. Lens also serves as a catch can if a bulb should shatter. The later type sockets (5/8) and bulbs do fit these earlier boards but that type bulb can fall out of the socket easier.
There is info in a thread here about a ribbon of LEDs laid to the inside perimeter of the instrument housing. It's routed and wired through only 1 bulb/socket hole. Cover to close the other hole(s) and done. Result is much brighter. LEDs use less power and live longer than incandescent. No lens transplant req'd.
The odd clip in a square hole at upper fuel gauge stud was about ventilation, letting some limiter heat out of the fuel gauge. This was deemed unnecessary by 67 model. So you could put a regular nut there. if the limiter is gone the heat is gone.
I dont know that the clip is better or worse connector than the speedy nuts though. The speedy nuts contact only one thread of the stud. I use internal toothed washers and 10-32 hex nuts like what is on the amp gauge everywhere. 2 more dollars @ Home Depot.
One more thing,, What covers the traces on the circuit board is only ink. A metal can limiter should not be bolted down on top of a trace. The one shown above doesn't appear to be on top of a trace but its still depending on the pizz poor chassis ground of panel to dash mounting screws unless a dedicated ground wire is added. The limiter or regulator doesn't have to be on the back of the instrument panel. It can be anywhere under the dash, just like the signal flasher is nowhere near the signal switch. Easy enough to add wire length to it and mount it in a more practical/serviceable location and it will likely be better grounded also.

Thanks for that added cautionary notes, there are 2 things about this mounting. It does not go over any traces and it is offset enough not to hit the steering column mounting frame under the dash.
 
Photos of my 1964 Valiant. Same for my 1965 Dart, but can't find the photos. Not RTE. 1965 was a "voltage limiter" on ebay from Patty Pink or such for $30. 1964 was a generic 5V DC-DC supply from Amazon ($8) which looks the same. The advantage of RTE is they have fancy circuitry to get your needles moving faster on power-up, if that matters. That was an artifact (or purposeful) of the factory thermo-electric Vreg. I just wait until I drive a few miles to trust the fuel level and the engine takes time to warm up anyway. An adjustable Vreg gives you another "knob" to tweak either your temp or fuel gage range to read perfect. There are other tweaks on the gages themselves, but not intended for owners. Notice that I had to add some 20 ohm of parallel resistance across the sender signal to get the zero and range to read correct.

circuit board w new Vreg & 20 ohm sender bypass.JPG
 
Finally got around to working on the Dart and hook up the new voltage limiter. So I pull off the fuel gauge face to disable the old point type and find this. I guess I don’t need that new limiter after all. Saves me some time.

Well, I was hoping the limiter was the reason for the low reading fuel gauge. Oh well, must be something else.

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^^Have you read how to test the gauges using resistors? This is really the only practical way to see "where you stand"
 
I'll study up. Like I said. I'm pretty much newb at electrical. But I'm an old dog that learns.
 
Finally got around to working on the Dart and hook up the new voltage limiter. So I pull off the fuel gauge face to disable the old point type and find this. I guess I don’t need that new limiter after all. Saves me some time.

Well, I was hoping the limiter was the reason for the low reading fuel gauge. Oh well, must be something else.

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Interesting approach by someone!
 
all right, gosh dang it!... I've done this a few times before. It doesn't get easier either. I'm not Real Time Engineering and I'm not responsible for any of their products or customers ( alltough I did jump on their BS train and ride it for bout 8 years). Anyway,
Most owners have a basic plug in type voltage limiter, a 2 post fuel gauge, and a 2 post temperature gauge, and a oil warning lamp. Then there are the variations. Some with a 3 post fuel or temp gauge that has the voltage limiter inside it, whether they have a oil gauge or basic oil warning lamp. The most important point is... a basic 2 post gauge is not chassis grounded, whether is fuel, temp, or oil. The 3 post gauge with limiter inside most be chassis grounded for that internal limiter to work. So now we want to install and use a external regulator like all those with all 2 post gauges. No problem. Too simple.
Lift the 3 post gauge from the housing and turn it over. A piece of metal on its backside grounded the internal limiter to the housing. You'll also see a unpainted spot in the housing floor. Cover that piece of metal with a layer or 2 of electric tape. It is now isolated from chassis ground just like any other 2 post gauge. If you want to go to the added effort to lift a temp gauge or oil gauge you will find it is not chassis grounded. Only current path is from post to post.
Next point is the 12 volt supply. Where should it go? It originally went to the limiter wherever the dang thing was located. If you're adding a external regulator anywhere in or behind the dash( it dont have to be on the back of the inst' panel if there isn't a good place for it), take the switched 12 volt wire, be it black or blue with white tracer out of the OEM harness connector and route it directly to your substitute regulator (no matter who you bought the feckin' thing from !) . See here's the thing, I suspect that RTE were either ignorant or wanted owners to open their 3 post gauge so they could see there is more wrong than the limiter alone. I did know well before I ever found this forum that RTE were E-body people. At that time they didn't have a clue about the 3 post gauges and wouldn't touch them. That was about 10 years ago. Not only did my brother and I figure out what they didn't know, we also discovered a possible scam, or way to generate more income. I decided that tehy had only ran with what a guy named Ron Erinberg had published on a Imperial website. Yeah I found a way to profit a little from it. I am a member of the so sue me tribe LOL.
Next point and why it took me soooo long to respond here... I tried to tell another member that he only needed to substitute gauge voltage source and really didn't need to open his fuel gauge. Then he mixed what I had told him with what he saw at the RTE website. That chit didn't work. My bi polar disorder clicked in and I dang near called him a idiot. I still feel bad about it. I truly only wanted to help. Bottom line, if you're willing to Completely isolate that OEM limiter, there isn't need to open the gauge. Take 12 volts away from it, take ground path away from it, take 12 volts away from it, take chassis ground away from it, it may as well be rolling around in the glove box. The 5 volt supply to the gauges goes from regulator to gauges. If you early instrument panel has a weird metal clip where you need to attach the 5 volt wire, that dont seem doable. So, route it to another gauge (like to the temp gauge as shown above). The printed circuit board will conduct it on to the proper posts.
I'm sorry that this post has ran on soooooo long but you haven't heard the worst of it yet... Recall when I mentioned the little piece of metal that provides a chassis ground for a internal limiter? The 3 mounting studs are swedged into a fibrous board on the back of a gauge. That board, along with weight of the gauge, distorts over time. The speedy nuts used to mount these gauges get loose, add a little corrosion, the chassis ground path is lost, the limiter stops functioning, or comes and goes with bumps in the road. Some number of 2nd generation rally gauge owners shipped there 3 post rally fuel gauges to me, with nothing wrong with them, years before you got here. Those owners only needed to do a little cleaning and tighten some nuts to get chit working again. In most cases it likely wasn't going to continue working for years to come, so I went ahead ad totally amputated their OEM limiter and installed and/or provided a substitute solid state regulator.
One more point that you dont have to read... Several members here have created what is called "sticky" about how to fix these old cars. That aint me. I really dot give a chit anymore. Blame it on too much water under the bridge, too much BS from other vendors. The post you just read is out there. They can do what they want with it. Like I said many times before, I didn't start this feckin' mess and it aint my lifes ambition to clean it up.
 
Sorry I got you confused with the guy who I bought it from. My mistake.
No worries. I dont know that IVR. I can't see which terminal is 12 volts in and/or which is 5 volts out. So I don't know if you drawing of blue and white lines are correct or not.
 
Hi Guys. I am completely new to Dart, so pardon my ignorance. Redfish, I have a 65 Dart which should have the IVR in the fuel gauge; let's ignore the fuel gauge in this question.
Could the external IVR be inserted in the black / blue wire with white tracer that supplies switched 12v to the instruments? Mount the external IVR under the dash to a good ground, cut the black / blue wire, connect the 12v end to the "in" of the IVR, and connect the other end of the black blue wire to the "out" of the IVR, which continues to the plug that feeds the instruments.
Would that work?
 
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