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Looking for a recipe to build a big block that will eat an LS camaro for lunch Without the big block being unstreetable or unreliable. Going in a a body. Options open as I've not started the build. Btw, you never see posts or videos of mopar so vs LS cars....?
 
-- Looking for a recipe to build a big block that will eat an LS Camaro --
-- Not sure how quick a LS Camaro is --- BUT -- I had a 440 in a 65 Coronet - 284 - .484 Mopar hydraulic cam - 10:1 pistons - stock heads - headers - Edelbrock intake - 750 Holly - 3.91 gears, and it ran low 12s - Very Streetable, every day, in the summer.
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Looking for a recipe to build a big block that will eat an LS camaro for lunch Without the big block being unstreetable or unreliable. Going in a a body. Options open as I've not started the build. Btw, you never see posts or videos of mopar so vs LS cars....?
A plain Jane LS Camaro puts out 455 net HP bone stock, a ZL1 puts out 650 net. That's over 500 and 700 gross hp in a car that has AC, will idle all day in traffic, and will go 200k miles easily. If you can figure out how to do that with any Mopar engine I'm all ears. Maybe with modern machining practices 200k is possible. A Mopar can certainly make those HP numbers no problem, but I have a very hard time believing that they can do it for very long. EVERY hot Mopar engine I've ever dealt with personally or even read about is far from build it and forget about it. They're a labor of love that require constant attention. There always seems to be a valve train gremlin, broken block, or some other issue. But there definitely is a mystique to a Mopar.
 
I don't think you will find anything cheap or easy. Unfortunately mopar slacked on doing technology in the 90's and up were GM spent millions. 92 - 97 LT1 350 10.4:1 CR ran on pump gas. They found a easy fix for the heat problem, turn the water flow around, LS motors squirt oil on the bottom of the piston that also removes heat.
 
To clean the clock of a stock 2016+, SS Camaro you need at least a consistent high 11s. Mid or low 12s won't do it, because then it comes down to the driver.

Thing is, with simple mods, the 2016+ SS Camaro is in the mid/high 11s.

So really, you will need constant low 11s if you want to win most of the time.
 
A plain Jane LS Camaro puts out 455 net HP bone stock, a ZL1 puts out 650 net. That's over 500 and 700 gross hp in a car that has AC, will idle all day in traffic, and will go 200k miles easily. If you can figure out how to do that with any Mopar engine I'm all ears. Maybe with modern machining practices 200k is possible. A Mopar can certainly make those HP numbers no problem, but I have a very hard time believing that they can do it for very long. EVERY hot Mopar engine I've ever dealt with personally or even read about is far from build it and forget about it. They're a labor of love that require constant attention. There always seems to be a valve train gremlin, broken block, or some other issue. But there definitely is a mystique to a Mopar.
I have built many small and big block mopars and all are still running and very dependable, If your braking things all the time than I have to believe it's something else. You have to know the limits to the parts you are using and sometimes trial and error gets very expensive. I just fixed a oiling problem
that was caused by a part that was purchased at Mancini's to fix a different problem, It fixed one problem but caused another. I had to scrap it and make my own and now both problems are fixed.
 
Buy a hellcat, transplant. We've come a long ways in 40 years. But old Mopars have a coolness factor a new "bought, not built" car can never have.
 
Buy a hellcat, transplant. We've come a long ways in 40 years. But old Mopars have a coolness factor a new "bought, not built" car can never have.
By the same reasoning, park a ford thunderbolt next to a hello kitty challenger and guess who gets the most looks?

(But I admit...it took me a while to find an old ford that is as cool as an old mopar)
 
Hate to say it but I would walk past 5 new challengers to look at the Thunderbolt. Funny thing about new cars, in my book once the new wears off in a year or 2 they get passed by for the next great thing.
 
-- Looking for a recipe to build a big block that will eat an LS camaro for lunch Without the big block being unstreetable or unreliable. Going in a a body. Options open as I've not started the build. -- QUOTE] -- This one, sort of, Got Off The Track. -- Not any suggestions ????
 
So my only solution is buy an LS camaro ooorrr,put an LS in my old mopar.??? Gotta be another way to have something that fast, but cool too. Almost went 440 or 451 but son in law has a very fast LS camaro swap with a 6speed. Stupid fast with only cam, heads, and long tubes. I helped him build it. He also gets mpg in the low20's. It's a nice car but I like my mopar.... Gotta be a way???.....
 
You're not asking for much. A mildly built 440 will handle the task in an abody.
 
Saw my son in law beat 2 440 mopar with a little LS1. An
LS3 is bigger and stronger. I like my 440's. Been thinking a 451 would rev quick and may do it. Shame Chrysler missed the boat on the tech.
 
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To OP- you don't say how fast the ls is. Most any big block a body "should" be able to whip up an ls camaro at the strip. Some can't but the ls tunes itself and the old iron doesn't. The z11s a quicker car but none of them even with some mods should be insurmountable at the drag strip. That being said if you want the whole package buy one. It will do everything the same and you'll disappear in any crowd.
 
To OP- you don't say how fast the ls is. Most any big block a body "should" be able to whip up an ls camaro at the strip. Some can't but the ls tunes itself and the old iron doesn't. The z11s a quicker car but none of them even with some mods should be insurmountable at the drag strip. That being said if you want the whole package buy one. It will do everything the same and you'll disappear in any crowd.

Numbers were posted above. He will need at least high 11s to be confident of being competitive.
 
LS1 swap is running 11:20's no tuning yet. And mileage in te 20's. How can
I build a mopar to do it? If it cannot be done,say so. But gotta be a way...
 
LS1 swap is running 11:20's no tuning yet. And mileage in te 20's. How can
I build a mopar to do it? If it cannot be done,say so. But gotta be a way...
I love Mopars, but I'm also a big fan of reality. People will tell you about thier 340 that they shifted at 8500, or thier 440 with a 3/4 cam that would pull the wheels at stoplights. Mopar people are very passionate, but the "Mopar or No Car" crowd are delusional. How many 11sec Mopars have you seen at the track that didn't come on a trailer? I've seen one(yes I know, everybody on this board has an uncle with one). Seen tons of 12-13sec Mopars on trailers too. How many 11sec GM and Ford's have you seen without a trailer? Hundreds probably. Hell I've seen 8-9sec cars get driven to the track.

Like I said I love Mopars. Low 11's, daily driver reliability, idle in traffic without melting down, and throw mileage into the mix. Not only no, but hell no. And the gen3 hemi ain't gonna do it either.
 
Been doing my research. You are right. Tryin to relive a 30 year old dream when the Big Mopar was a force to be reckoned with. I built a 68 cuda with a 440 and nos. Big dog back then... No more. I had several big and small block molars.Hate to use the term, back in the day.l may build a LS3 and put it in my A body. Least then I can drive it and be competitive. Love the car but the mopar or no car stuffs a joke. Never liked camaros.Never had the cash for a hellcat....lol.
 
What did it get swapped into and where did the 11.20s come from?
Sorry - I re-read and saw the mid to high 12s testing which IMO is about right. Anything is possible - I'm sure a Hellcat swap, or GEN3 with a turbo and modern transmission could do it. But it's really big money and you'll get more looks with a slant 6 turbo in the same muscle car chassis at a cruise or car show.
Old cars vs new cars is foolish IMO. When a new domestic car is 40-50 years old, then you'll be able to get the true value and performance of it. When they are new, they are just plain old traffic. I don't care how fast it goes.
Stop asking questions and go do it.
 
Been doing my research. You are right. Tryin to relive a 30 year old dream when the Big Mopar was a force to be reckoned with. I built a 68 cuda with a 440 and nos. Big dog back then... No more. I had several big and small block molars.Hate to use the term, back in the day.l may build a LS3 and put it in my A body. Least then I can drive it and be competitive. Love the car but the mopar or no car stuffs a joke. Never liked camaros.Never had the cash for a hellcat....lol.
it amazes me, I just don`t understand why so many of you mopar guys think a 12 second car is fast. an 11 second car is nothing to brag about any more. I have built chevy and mopar 10 second rides, 11 and 12 don`t impress anyone anymore!. I built an 11 second gmc pick up that I drove to work 28 miles away, and got 16.3mpg if I could keep my foot out of it. there are 10 second mopars all around that are street driven !
 
Design me a reliable big block that will beat an LS in the quarter. It's already been done.

You built a 68 Barracuda with a 440 and it won't beat the LS? You don't know what you are doing.

Now, design me a big block that will beat an LS in the quarter and get better than 20 mpg...................Oh, and do it for free.

Go away. I won't help you.
 
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