Now thats just wrong

[moparmat2000]

So im searching the net, and i come across stephens performance on the net. The largest mopar junkyard in alabama. Heres the messed up part, they have a bunch of road runners, super bees, charger R/Ts, challenger R/Ts, 'Cudas, demon 340s, duster 340s, A body cudas, dart GT verts etc. Plus the lower more pedestrian versions of these cars. My common sense says the more valuable versions of these should never have entered the yard, but should have been put on the side so they could have been sold as project cars. Go look at the pix, or the youtube vids some people were allowed in to take of these vehicles.

Supposedly, the state of alabama makes you surrender the titles and they record the Vin numbers in case somebody decides to drag one of these out , restore it and make it roadworthy again. Kinda commie thinking on alabamas part if you ask me. i think who the hell cares, if you take one of these back out, restore it, and drive it again, especially if its in a different state. Titles can be gotten easily.

Supposedly stephens performance wont sell any of these cars as project cars because of alabamas stupid junkyard vin law, and with all the new metal available from AMD, and goodmark a lot of these are now savable and restorable projects.

Dont get me wrong, the fact that they have amassed that amount of mopar muscle cars in one place is great, and that they pull the parts instead of letting the public in and risk stuff getting broken by careless people to get at the part they need , however not being able to sell whole vehicles as projects because of alabamas junkyard title law is stupid and wasteful.

Heck if that law wasnt in place in that state they could even do restorations and resell some of those cars themselves. I know of a salvage operation that does mustangs like that. Huge yard. They sell original parts, repop stuff, and even restore and sell mustangs from their own yard.

Once stephens performance decides to close up shop as all salvage operations eventually do, all these cars will get crushed out and made into toasters, and toyotas.

Truly a shame.

 

[ToMang07]

Sounds like Obama's "Cash for Clunkers" program. ANY vehicle turned in for that was destroyed, regardless of condition. One of the reasons the used parts/cars market prices skyrocketed so bad.

Luckily in ME all you need is a Bill of Sale to register a pre-94 vehicle.

 

[moparmat2000]

Hey yep cash 4 clunkers. I saw a lot of decent stuff get destroyed with that. Yeah right stimulate the auto industry he said. The people turning them in, get payed with borrowed cash from the bank of china, and go buy fuel efficient cars made by the japanese and koreans. So tell me now how does that stimulate our auto industry? Hmmm? It only lines the pockets of the salesman at said jap car and korean car dealerships. Obama sucks, always did, now trump is making him just a faded memory by repealing all his executive orders, and killing his obamba care. Good riddance obama you commie bastard.

 

[brian6pac]

It was a while back but I was told the Stevens performance was buying large mopar parts package deals, which I had at the time and was trying to move to another state so I called him. When I call I ask for Mr Stevens and the girl said she wanted to know why I has calling, so I explained my situation and she stopped my in my tracks saying WE DON'T WANT YOUR JUNK, WE DON'T BUY PARTS WE SELL THEM and hung up on me. So I waited a couple weeks and tried again with the same results and this time she told me that Mr Stevens did not want to talk to me and never call back and hung up on me. So Mr Stevens can suck my A**.

 

[Moparman1806]

It was a while back but I was told the Stevens performance was buying large mopar parts package deals, which I had at the time and was trying to move to another state so I called him. When I call I ask for Mr Stevens and the girl said she wanted to know why I has calling, so I explained my situation and she stopped my in my tracks saying WE DON'T WANT YOUR JUNK, WE DON'T BUY PARTS WE SELL THEM and hung up on me. So I waited a couple weeks and tried again with the same results and this time she told me that Mr Stevens did not want to talk to me and never call back and hung up on me. So Mr Stevens can suck my A**.

I bought an AMD tail panel for my 70 Duster from them, they sent it to the wrong address, notified me of this , insisted it was my problem,and made me pay another 50 bucks to ship to my correct address, very nasty, took over a month to get part- will never deal with them again. Very poor business attitude

 

[Phily]

Illinois won't sell complete cars or if the yard either. The one my dad works at will Tralee some of the better cars and set them up front of the building and sell them. But those never enter the yard and don't get fully processed. Sucks cause they had (might still have) a Mitsubishi 3000gt and the body still looked good. I was so disappointed when I was told I couldn't buy it. One of my all time favorite cars

 

[moparmat2000]

Even if alabama records the numbers, why in the hell would it matter if the car went to another state, and was rebuilt and titled there? Anybody have an answer to this question?

 

[ToMang07]

My guess is they have some state law that prohibits it.

 

[Phily]

Cause they will get fined for it. The vin numbers are show. To be destroyed or on their way. And we know how much h the state hates paperwork unless that paperwork is green

 

[72bluNblu]

Every single time one of these threads comes up someone whines about "cash for clunkers". All it does is make you look dumb, because not a single car made before 1984 was eligible for the federal program. Not a single muscle car era Mopar was crushed for the federal program. Yeah, I'm sure some M and J bodies were crushed, but there were plenty of those in the yards after 2009 when they ran cash for clunkers. I know because that's where all my FMJ spindles came from.

Some of the states run their own programs that don't exclude classics, but the federal program did. I'm surprised Alabama is so restrictive, here in California you can buy salvage yard cars and put them back on the road. They get a salvage title, but that's it.

 

[moparmat2000]

It was a while back but I was told the Stevens performance was buying large mopar parts package deals, which I had at the time and was trying to move to another state so I called him. When I call I ask for Mr Stevens and the girl said she wanted to know why I has calling, so I explained my situation and she stopped my in my tracks saying WE DON'T WANT YOUR JUNK, WE DON'T BUY PARTS WE SELL THEM and hung up on me. So I waited a couple weeks and tried again with the same results and this time she told me that Mr Stevens did not want to talk to me and never call back and hung up on me. So Mr Stevens can suck my A**.

Sounds like with an attitude like that, i guess he prob doesnt care that they are going to get crushed in the end. Maybe SEMA can point some light on stupid state laws like that just like they did with the aid of car craft magazine, with californias stupid clunker program where stationary polluters can buy up and crush old cars for pollution credits so they can continue to pollute.

Car craft bought a clean 67 camaro with a straight six from the original owner who was going to turn it in to unocal for $400 because he wanted to give it to his daughter but she wanted a hon duh. He was waiting in line to turn it in to unocal because his wife didnt like strangers coming to their house to look at the car. Car craft gave him double what unocal was offering for these cars, and told him they would drive and use the car instead of flattening it like unocal would.

The first thing car craft did was run it down to a union 76 gas station and have it smog checked. Car passed with flying colors for its year. Hmmmm if its gonna be turned in as a gross polluter, shouldent it be checked first before money is exchanged? There were cars lined up on flatbeds that looked like they had not run in years that were lined up waiting for their $400 according to the car craft article. Some were potential projects, some could have yielded good parts.

Maybe SEMA can bring to light these stupid salvage yard vin laws to where states can grant exemptions to classic cars maybe 30 years old and older. The reality is these cars are not driven much when restored, and are kept in a better state of tune than a clunker anyways. A lot of people upgrade them with modern engines that give off less emissions, and better ecomomy. Plus its a better form of recycling. All the energy and pollution spent to make the car in the first place, why not rebuild it. Isnt that the ultimate form of recycling?

 

[moparmat2000]

Every single time one of these threads comes up someone whines about "cash for clunkers". All it does is make you look dumb, because not a single car made before 1984 was eligible for the federal program. Not a single muscle car era Mopar was crushed for the federal program. Yeah, I'm sure some M and J bodies were crushed, but there were plenty of those in the yards after 2009 when they ran cash for clunkers. I know because that's where all my FMJ spindles came from.

Some of the states run their own programs that don't exclude classics, but the federal program did. I'm surprised Alabama is so restrictive, here in California you can buy salvage yard cars and put them back on the road. They get a salvage title, but that's it.

Plus i bet once you title it out of state that salvage title goes away. It doesnt make me look dumb. I know C4C had an exemption on old cars. The problem with that program was borrowed money from the red chinese to line dealer pockets of jap and korean car companies. Very misguided and stupid. Also effed up the used car market, as a lot of what was turned in were pretty decent vehicles that would have made their way to used car lots. This drove up prices for used cars for people who cannot afford new cars because of the scarcity.

C4C cars went to local salvage yards and they were allowed to keep them for i believe 1-2 months before they got flattened so useable parts could be taken from them. I remember my local boneyard stripping them out after the 2 months and flattening the carcasses. I saw a nice cummins 12v ram there with decent paint, and 125k on the clock. I turned the key, starter motor just went thunk. Engine locked up tight. All C4C cars and trucks were required to have their oil drained and 2 quarts of "clunker bomb" poured in the crankcase then the engines were run until they locked up. It was an absolute waste. As i said before **** Obamba, and **** all his stupid policies. A do nothing loser of an X president. Glad his "legacy" is getting erased. GO TRUMP!!!

 

[Killer6]

Every single time one of these threads comes up someone whines about "cash for clunkers". All it does is make you look dumb, because not a single car made before 1984 was eligible for the federal program. Not a single muscle car era Mopar was crushed for the federal program. Yeah, I'm sure some M and J bodies were crushed, but there were plenty of those in the yards after 2009 when they ran cash for clunkers. I know because that's where all my FMJ spindles came from.

Some of the states run their own programs that don't exclude classics, but the federal program did. I'm surprised Alabama is so restrictive, here in California you can buy salvage yard cars and put them back on the road. They get a salvage title, but that's it.

I don't think that was the premise of the complaint, I witnessed many SPOTLESS perfectly good used S10 blazers, Dakota 4x4's, Cherokee's, etc. etc. destroyed & scrapped
never to be saved & repaired BY "LAW", thus the used car market prices went up for those wanting such vehicles, many who couldn't afford new vehicles or get financed got
screwed all for a bogus "save the planet" sham...................And people like Myself got screwed the most, 'cause My tax dollars were used to subsidize this commie program
and I was the one driving My efficient FWD turbo & non-turbo Mopars daily for a decade & a half............I got nothing for a "reward"....I just helped someone else buy a new
RAV4...............after using their Expedition to run the rug-rats to band practice......................

 

[Moparman1806]

Plus i bet once you title it out of state that salvage title goes away. I know C4C had an exemption on old cars. The problem with that program was borrowed money from the red chinese to line dealer pockets of jap and korean car companies. Very misguided and stupid. Also effed up the used car market, as a lot of what was turned in were pretty decent vehicles that would have made their way to used car lots. This drove up prices for used cars for people who cannot afford new cars because of the scarcity.

Unfortunately, the fact that the car was salvaged follows in many states. Some states have titles that are certificates of destruction only, and can not be retitled.there was legislation called NAVADIS that brought all these new title designations along. In my state, you have to be certified as an enhanced inspection garage to do the paperwork, and work/ inspecting of the vehicles

 

[moparmat2000]

Unfortunately, the fact that the car was salvaged follows in many states. Some states have titles that are certificates of destruction only, and can not be retitled.there was legislation called NAVADIS that brought all these new title designations along. In my state, you have to be certified as an enhanced inspection garage to do the paperwork, and work/ inspecting of the vehicles

Well thank God i live in Texas. I have flipped several salvage titles into useable vehicles. I have one left on a 1988 daytona shelby project. I think they have changed that now, however the salvage title was changed into my name in 1999. So its grandfathered in as it happened before the new salvage laws.

 

[barbee6043]

I have hauled several cars over the years out of Ga, and Al. both "non title" states on older cars. a bill of sale in Mo. got me my Mo title.

why would Ted sell a complete car, worth many times what anyone will pay for it as a project. he has bought every Mopar he cold since what 80's? built the largest mopar bone yard I the country I guess. got to give him credit for a good businessman. Ted goes to the big shows and hand picks parts. never known him to buy out individuals collections of stuff.

 

[moparmat2000]

I have hauled several cars over the years out of Ga, and Al. both "non title" states on older cars. a bill of sale in Mo. got me my Mo title.

why would Ted sell a complete car, worth many times what anyone will pay for it as a project. he has bought every Mopar he cold since what 80's? built the largest mopar bone yard I the country I guess. got to give him credit for a good businessman. Ted goes to the big shows and hand picks parts. never known him to buy out individuals collections of stuff.

Because they aint worth all that in their current condition. Its like the guy on fleabay trying to sell the 57 chrysler 300 vert thats been sitting behind a barn since the mid 1980s and is breaking in half with rust and he wants $25,000 for it. Oh its got a title, oh and the steering works. Sure in perfect shape it should go for about $75,000, now the owner that left it to rot behind a barn since the early 1980s prob needs their *** kicked on general principles, and so does the ID10T that thinks he can get $25k out of it. Thats clearly a case of jack up the vin number and roll another car underneath it. But vin swapping, now thats fodder for another thread, so lets stay on topic folks ok.

The point is a lot of the stuff on these cars is repopped today unlike it was in the 80s where nothing was being made for them besides carpets, headliners and package trays, or if you got lucky to find NOS parts. Remember back then, the year one catalog was mostly NOS parts.

The proliferation of repop parts makes the proposition of buying used original parts needing repairs or restoration a non proposition for most folks nowadays, plus with the amount of repop steel available, who the hell wants to hack off a rusty quarter panel and graft it into their car. Back then in the 80s and early 90s yes. Today however with new steel why the hell would you do that. Thats why i was saying these would now make great project cars. Sell em for a decent price along with a bunch of AMD steel and repop parts to reskin them, and make money, or start up a body shop in house to reskin the shells of the valuable ones and sell them off with the sheetmetal work done, and some paint and assembly required.

Asking lets say $50k for a derilect charger R/T thats needs $50k of TLC it wont ever sell. Asking maybe $5k you may be able to move it. Anybody with a love of these cars more than a love of $$$ would try to do this.

 

[jos51700]

OK Guys, this is easy.

Ever heard of NMVTIS?

There's a difference between "salvage" and "junk".

Salvage=rebuilder in most states.
Junk=Junk, never to be on the road again, in most states. This is a one-way street unless your state lets you build "customs", in which case they're going to want to know why that E-body should be a custom, and not an E-body with a suspiciously missing VIN.

Think you'll haul it across a state line or send the title to a buddy across the country for a title-washin'? (This is illegal, btw.)

Noooooooooo no no no no no not if your state is one of the participating National Motor Vehicle Title Information System states.

This is an old map (2012). Green state, you're screwed. Try getting a lawyer. Yellow state, you might get away with it. Grey state, get while the get'n is good.

And that's IF your state has lax title laws to begin with. Most the grey and yellow took their time enrolling in NMVTIS because their title laws were bitches already.

My Ram is in this boat. Junked due to flood in Colorado (All flood damaged cars are junked, no flipping). Brought it home to Missouri and slept on the title. Now Missouri can see it's junk in CO, so it's junk in MO too.

 

[ToMang07]

This is an old map (2012). Green state, you're screwed. Try getting a lawyer. Yellow state, you might get away with it. Grey state, get while the get'n is good.

Well, I'm in a "Green State" and they won't even title a pre-94 vehicle, whether you have title or not.

 

[Princess Valiant]

even more reason to grab and buy up what you can now that you can

we are never going to save them all and hundreds if not thousands of old cars are on death row

we cant control what goes on around us but we stash a good amount ....that is why I don't leave any rock unturned and I don't procrastinate picking up old cars and parts. I don't worry about the money either, because money is not rare. Once these cars die its over.

Happy hunting

 

[xLURKxDOGx]

How else are they supposed to feed the Chinese steel machine?

Jake

 

[barbee6043]

Note t OP: R and R Salvage, Aurora Mo and Ron Slobe used to be the largest Mopar bone yard in the country. Ron passed quite a few years back, and the yard went away, BUT Ron had his salvage yard and always had some project cars sitting up front for sale.
Al. does not keep up with titles on older vehicles. SO you can imagine the bs of car " tourists" going to Stephens and seeing a project they want and Ted having to deal with the sale of said car less title! maybe Al. has a law where a salvage business can not legally sell these bone cars? don't know.
we restore cars now days ( mostly stuff like roadrunners, E bodies, Chargers that not that many years back were NOT even considered pats cars! ha.....

so I guess some people see all these cars on Ted s place, ( didn't know he let the public in there?), see an ie. 69 roadrunner roller that looks pretty solid and straight ( yea!??? Ha), and is totally irritated that Ted did not set it aside to offer as project t for said person for a "good" price, less title???s we hobbiest like to think we can save every old Mopar, but we can not! and there are still TONS of parts not repped or so poorly done ( Shermans?) that you are better off fabing your own stuff!? so I am glad there are a few people like Ted ( Stephens) that have their business, even if I personally can not afford their prices and shipping!

 

[moparmat2000]

OK Guys, this is easy.

Ever heard of NMVTIS?

There's a difference between "salvage" and "junk".

Salvage=rebuilder in most states.
Junk=Junk, never to be on the road again, in most states. This is a one-way street unless your state lets you build "customs", in which case they're going to want to know why that E-body should be a custom, and not an E-body with a suspiciously missing VIN.

Think you'll haul it across a state line or send the title to a buddy across the country for a title-washin'? (This is illegal, btw.)

Noooooooooo no no no no no not if your state is one of the participating National Motor Vehicle Title Information System states.

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This is an old map (2012). Green state, you're screwed. Try getting a lawyer. Yellow state, you might get away with it. Grey state, get while the get'n is good.

And that's IF your state has lax title laws to begin with. Most the grey and yellow took their time enrolling in NMVTIS because their title laws were bitches already.

My Ram is in this boat. Junked due to flood in Colorado (All flood damaged cars are junked, no flipping). Brought it home to Missouri and slept on the title. Now Missouri can see it's junk in CO, so it's junk in MO too.

At this point, drive your ram until its worn out. Cant sell it, unless its to a wrecking yard.

 

[moparmat2000]

even more reason to grab and buy up what you can now that you can

we are never going to save them all and hundreds if not thousands of old cars are on death row

we cant control what goes on around us but we stash a good amount ....that is why I don't leave any rock unturned and I don't procrastinate picking up old cars and parts. I don't worry about the money either, because money is not rare. Once these cars die its over.

Happy hunting

I got 2 A body barracuda coupes 67 and 69, and a 1988 G body daytona shelby. I am working on getting a 3rd barracuda coupe a 69 grancoupe.This may take awhile. Needs everything, guy thinks it will be easy n cheap to fix. I have all the parts it needs too lol.

 

[jos51700]

At this point, drive your ram until its worn out. Cant sell it, unless its to a wrecking yard.

Can't. No title, no tags.