Purchasing a car from a private seller. Nightmare.

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Thers lots of people who are vintage auto sellers that dont know their *** from a hole in the ground. Maybe Bob is one of em. They look ok so he flips em. Nothing wrong with buying and flipping cars. Lots of vintage car dealers out there now. These people arent enthusiasts, they are car dealers. Dealerships and used car lots do it daily. Problem, and only problem is the frame issue. Who gives a rats *** about the title and who owned it prev. etc as long as its not stolen or has a lein on it.
 
yellow rose said:
You need to take a trip through the the FABO for sale section. At the top is a 73 Duster with a /6 in very nice condition ask $7,800.00 and that's a pretty good price for a car in that condition.
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What's your point?

That's a super clean, 60k original miles car with documentation, and it's still well under $9k. I think that proves my point exactly. You can absolutely get a great A-body for less than $9k.

adriver said:
The Scam You Have to Avoid When Buying a Used Car
This process is called title-skipping and although it is a common practice, it is illegal in most states.

I don't know how "title skipping" could be illegal in my state on that car since a title would not be required on the OP car.
And if there is no title on the car this state won't issue one.
Most all old cars here just have a registration.
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Most states still require titles regardless of the age of the car. There are only a few that don't, and Illinois isn't one of them. Illinois requires a title for that car.

moparmat2000 said:
Thers lots of people who are vintage auto sellers that dont know their *** from a hole in the ground. Maybe Bob is one of em. They look ok so he flips em. Nothing wrong with buying and flipping cars. Lots of vintage car dealers out there now. These people arent enthusiasts, they are car dealers. Dealerships and used car lots do it daily. Problem, and only problem is the frame issue. Who gives a rats *** about the title and who owned it prev. etc as long as its not stolen or has a lein on it.
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Flippers are useless sacks of crap that have no place breathing air on this Earth. Yes, there is something wrong with flipping cars. If you flip cars, you are a piece of crap. Period.

And if you think used car salesmen and flippers are good people, I'll have to lower my level of respect for you.
 
72bluNblu said:
What's your point?

That's a super clean, 60k original miles car with documentation, and it's still well under $9k. I think that proves my point exactly. You can absolutely get a great A-body for less than $9k.



Most states still require titles regardless of the age of the car. There are only a few that don't, and Illinois isn't one of them. Illinois requires a title for that car.



Flippers are useless sacks of crap that have no place breathing air on this Earth. Yes, there is something wrong with flipping cars. If you flip cars, you are a piece of crap. Period.

And if you think used car salesmen and flippers are good people, I'll have to lower my level of respect for you.
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My point is an earlier model A with a V8 for 9 grand isn't bad. I didn't make your point, I proved my point.

A decent A, especially a stick or something with a V8 is easily 9k or more.
 
yellow rose said:
My point is an earlier model A with a V8 for 9 grand isn't bad. I didn't make your point, I proved my point.

A decent A, especially a stick or something with a V8 is easily 9k or more.
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This is getting away from the origin of discussion but you are right YR if someone is not willing to take time and patiently wait for the right deal to come along.... They pay out the nose for these cars and they are not worth it IMO... That's a whole different topic though and the market will hit a wall in due time and an adjustment will be made.....

Buyers like the OP need to think twice before investing in something like this. A healthly bank account and lack of knowledge can get you led down a fool's path when it comes to old iron. Unfortunately I think the OP won't like the result if the Title issue can be resolved without alot of paperwork. But pictures of the car would certainly help opinions on the topic at hand to see if you really got taken to the cleaners....

JW
 
72bluNblu said:
What's your point?

That's a super clean, 60k original miles car with documentation, and it's still well under $9k. I think that proves my point exactly. You can absolutely get a great A-body for less than $9k.



Most states still require titles regardless of the age of the car. There are only a few that don't, and Illinois isn't one of them. Illinois requires a title for that car.



Flippers are useless sacks of crap that have no place breathing air on this Earth. Yes, there is something wrong with flipping cars. If you flip cars, you are a piece of crap. Period.

And if you think used car salesmen and flippers are good people, I'll have to lower my level of respect for you.
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Never said they were good people. Those are your words your projecting on me. I only said they are out there because vintage cars are a pretty big $$$ commodity just like new cars are. It just is what it is. The only thing you can do is educate people, and not buy from people like this. Thats about all you or anybody else can do.
 
72bluNblu said:
Most states still require titles regardless of the age of the car. There are only a few that don't, and Illinois isn't one of them. Illinois requires a title for that car.



Flippers are useless sacks of crap that have no place breathing air on this Earth. Yes, there is something wrong with flipping cars. If you flip cars, you are a piece of crap. Period.

And if you think used car salesmen and flippers are good people, I'll have to lower my level of respect for you.
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I live in Illinois. This is rust belt nation. the 1st thing, and I mean the 1st thing anyone does when you look at a vintage car is get on your back and start crawling. The last vintage car I sold, the buyer immediately got on his back. I expected them to.

P.S. I've bought cars on the cheap before and sold for a profit. I also flipped a silver plate I bought cheap at an antique store. Walmart flips the toothpaste you bought. The gas station just flipped your tank of gas. World is full of folks that shouldn't be breathing..... LOL.
 
I buy parts at the salvage yard for my projects, and some to resell to help pay for my trips. I guess that means i'm guilty of being a flipper too. Hmm i always liked that TV show as a kid. The dolphin was kinda cute.
 
The OP determined this particular car was worth 9K when he handed over his money over for it. If you're not capable of a proper inspection there are services just like home or marine inspections that can handle it. It's the buyers responsibility to protect themselves.
 
GeorgeH said:
The OP determined this particular car was worth 9K when he handed over his money over for it. If you're not capable of a proper inspection there are services just like home or marine inspections that can handle it. It's the buyers responsibility to protect themselves.
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I think the question here is the integrity of the seller. I have no carnal knowledge of the person so it's neutral for me but unfortunately you have to assume guilt until proven innocent in these situations. That's why I said go right to defense mode and see where it goes. I got railroaded on a car about 15 years ago and still have ointment for my *** on the nightstand lol.... I see all sides to this thread and on a side note Mopar people are fickle about things like this and always will be....

JW
 
Might be easier if you look up Illinois state law regarding vehicle titles and sales before deciding that something was done improperly.

In Illinois, a person may lawfully sell a vehicle without being on the title. Neither the Secretary of State, police or any judge is going to overturn the sale and/or titling for a "jumped" title since it is considered legal.

The only way it gets overturned is if the original title holder never got paid for the vehicle.
 
Used car dealers, most are more crooked than a mesquite tree and thornier than hell.

Some 400 lb fat guy dressed up like Monica Lewinski saying we're blowing away the competition. Man put a tie on, and act like you got some sense. Now if your a fool and i buy a car from you, then what does that make me?

Thats what i think about used car dealers. They are ALL flippers, every last one of em.
 
re: title skipping, I think guys that do this are avoiding taxes. purchase and yearly afterwords.
I`ve read of guys buying cars and find out they got to pay years of back taxes. May vary state to state.
 
SLOPAR72 said:
I think the question here is the integrity of the seller. I have no carnal knowledge of the person so it's neutral for me but unfortunately you have to assume guilt until proven innocent in these situations. That's why I said go right to defense mode and see where it goes. I got railroaded on a car about 15 years ago and still have ointment for my *** on the nightstand lol.... I see all sides to this thread and on a side note Mopar people are fickle about things like this and always will be....

JW
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What used car salesman/flipper has integrity? lol Most know very little about the vehicle they're selling. I'm sure you look at things, as I do, very carefully now before you set your monies down. Several K for a lawyer will get him a judgement that can't be collected on or worse, Bob agrees to pay him back at @$20 month while the OP has to relinquish the car. Making waves at Dmv might get him a re-constructed or salvage title and it takes time. Some of these posters screaming lawyer have never been through our wonderful claims/court system. Let's get stupid with this until we have neither the 9k or the car, or a car with no title.

If Bob gives him his money back great, but if he signed an "as is, where is" there is not a lot of recourse to be had. Getting taken sucks but as a buyer you need to do a little due diligence or get ahold of somebody that can.
 
If the OP noticed the issue the 2nd day he had the car, then he was capable of noticing it when he was LOOKING at the car in the first place. He has no one to blame but himself
 
I think there is a case for fraud. Even though this was done as a "private sale" it was conducted at a business services classic cars and other autos. Right or wrong, the majority of people would take that as a positive, that this person knows what he is doing. And the person conducting the sale choose to sell the car at the auto repair, which implies he knows what he is doing. This could be taken as misrepresentation and the law protects people. Even if Bill didn't even work there - it is misrepresentation

Could luck on the car - it sounds like it could be solid car with some money, 9k on a convertible barracuda - it could turn into a positive. If you decide to keep the car fix the frame rails - do not put connectors on rotten out rails

These are from a Coronet 500 I went to look at - there was a lot of other rust, I passed on the car- stiffening connectors are not suppose to be the frame

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How bout that ziptied full length rubber fuel line. Pretty snazzy. Looks like they tied it to the old line under the car lol.

Looks like they booger welded a saf T cap on one side, not the other, and theres a hole in that crossmember just itching to be poked out w a screwdriver.
 
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To me, the title thing may have old Bob by the family jewels. Good luck.
 
I will say it again...Illinois lawmakes title skipping perfectly legal.
 
72bluNblu said:
Having the title in the name of a person other than the seller is not the same as having the title. If Bob represented himself as the owner of the car when he sold it, he committed fraud.
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Bob 'probably' has a bill of sale proving he is the owner.
 
Ddaddy said:
I will say it again...Illinois lawmakes title skipping perfectly legal.
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Well you can close the gate on this one. Illinois law states that title skipping there is legal. If thats, where this deal was done, and if the car was sold as is, then its open and shut caviet emptor. Doesnt make it right, it just is what it is. If thats the case, lets morph this into how we can help this guy repair this car so he can enjoy it.
 
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