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Ron816

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I have a 68 GTS H Code front Brake Drums are 10 inch, the shoes that were on it are 2 1/2 inches wide, I can't seem to be able to find 10 inch 2 1/2 inch shoes are these correct for this year and model
 
I have ++ N.O.S. ++ Asbestos ++ 10" x 2 1/2" Brake Shoes -- which are the only braking surface you should use for nice smoooooth braking -- and NOT ripping up brake drums.......
Due to forum rules, I can't leave you my phone number here (how dare I be up front and honest!!!)
I will P.M. you presently.......Yours, Craig.
 
I see listing for 10 x 2 1/4” shoes which are probably it
Raybestos 332pg
Wagner PAB332
And in a lesser grade:
Bosch BS332
Wagner Z332

Don’t know if that will help but I think these are probably the ones?
 
He has the beefed up 10" x 2 1/2" from the factory --
NOT 10" x 2 1/4" as he indicated.....
Those are NOT correct, 4mulas.
Annnnnnnd -- those are all the new-fangled internet garbage, anyway, so they are
just that -- garbage..... They HAVE to be thanks to Asbestos Laws.... They can NOT
Offer ++ N.O.S. ++ Asbestos ++
 
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I have a set of new drums from classic industries and they are the same diameter as the originals, why would they make replacement drums but not the shoes to go with them? all I could find was 2 1/4 was wondering if they are the correct shoes kinda like a 2x4 piece of would is not exactly 2x4
 
I have a set of new drums from classic industries and they are the same diameter as the originals, why would they make replacement drums but not the shoes to go with them? all I could find was 2 1/4 was wondering if they are the correct shoes kinda like a 2x4 piece of would is not exactly 2x4
here are pics of the shoes

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One source of confusion is 1968 models were a transition year.
'68 has tabbed shoes, but the same self-adjusters as previous years.
IIRC, at the start of the calendar year, cars were built with the '69 up adjusters and a slightly different shoe.
The 1970 Hamtramck Registry - 1969 M.T.S.C. Servicing Highlights - Reference Book
inside the new '69 adjuster spring arrangement looks like this
The 1970 Hamtramck Registry - 1969 M.T.S.C. Drum Brakes - Reference Book
If you really want '68 correct, see if mobileparts has them. Or have a place like Rochester Brake and Clutch reline yours.
The width measurements are nominal.
Most shoes and pads will have a FMSI number stamped or painted on them. That's the best way to identify the shoe.
This is the interchange number on a nominal 10 x 1.75 '68 only rear shoe.
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Ron816,
The bottom line , to simplicate things is:
10" x 2 1/4" IS 10" x 2 1/4". &
10" x 2'1/2" IS 10" x 2 1/2"......

What classic ind. Did is a mystery to the world -- they are a Chineseum selling outfit -- and before you deem them CORRECT -- you had better check and double check them vociferously....
Starting with bolt pattern -- 5 x 4 (SBP) vs. 5 x 4 1/2"
(LBP), overall height, inside height, BEFORE you mount them, and they hit you with "you mounted them, so we can't take them back", and of course, you will not get a refund, and you are out two shippings.
 
Ron816,
The bottom line , to simplicate things is:
10" x 2 1/4" IS 10" x 2 1/4". &
10" x 2'1/2" IS 10" x 2 1/2"......

What classic ind. Did is a mystery to the world -- they are a Chineseum selling outfit -- and before you deem them CORRECT -- you had better check and double check them vociferously....
Starting with bolt pattern -- 5 x 4 (SBP) vs. 5 x 4 1/2"
(LBP), overall height, inside height, BEFORE you mount them, and they hit you with "you mounted them, so we can't take them back", and of course, you will not get a refund, and you are out two shippings.
I did measure and they fit the hubs no issues I guess my only option is getting the shoes relined
 
If you get the shoes relined, it WILL NOT and CAN NOT be ++ Asbestos ++ due to Asbestos Laws....
That would be a HUGE mistake....
I replied to you that I HAVE BOTH sets of shoes in
++ N.O.S. ++ Asbestos ++ and left you my phone number in your P.M. / conversation....as per forum rules, otherwise I would have left it here within.
Yours, Craig.
 
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what's the problem with having my shoes relined?, I'm not concerned with having asbestos shoes
 
Pay MORE for an inferior product -- and wait for the process -- and pay shipping out & back....

In what world would anyone consider that intelligent??????

You do what you want, it is a free country.
 
Pay MORE for an inferior product -- and wait for the process -- and pay shipping out & back....

In what world would anyone consider that intelligent??????

You do what you want, it is a free country.
ListenI'm here looking for advice and info not to be talk down too
 
what's the problem with having my shoes relined?, I'm not concerned with having asbestos shoes

Not a thing I can think of is wrong with relining your original shoes assuming the cores are in good shape.
If local I'd take the drums in along with the core shoes so the reliner can arch them to fit, make sure you get full drum contact.
 
Not a thing I can think of is wrong with relining your original shoes assuming the cores are in good shape.
If local I'd take the drums in along with the core shoes so the reliner can arch them to fit, make sure you get full drum contact.
Thanks for the advice
 
Oops, sorry, my bad.
Your looking for FRONT brake parts.

Look up 76 A body cars, as they had a police car package, with the 10 X 2 1/2 inch rear brakes.

Valiant pursuit cars with V8s used a wide 70 series police radial (with two plies of fabric cord and four full-width textile cord belts under the tread). The calibrated speedometer ran up to 120 mph rather than the usual 100 mph, while the power steering had a (desirable) firm-feel chuck and an oil cooler. The radiator was larger (22" with slant six, 26" with V8); heavy-duty brakes included front power discs with metallic linings and rear 10 x 2.5 inch drums with automatic adjusters. Interior trim was vinyl, in gold, green, or black, with heavy duty front cushion springs and air foam cushioning, and a full foam front seat-back.
 
ListenI'm here looking for advice and info not to be talk down too

Just ignore that guy. He shows up in almost every thread regarding drum brakes, trying to hock his 40+ year old brake shoes. And he talks that way to everyone, especially if anybody questions him. I suppose if you were doing some OE factory restoration on a big dollar car that'll never see many road miles it might be useful to run ancient NOS brake shoes. Otherwise, asbestos brake linings are like bias ply tires. They were the only thing that worked well when these cars were built, and they haven't been the best option for almost as long now. Even if they didn't give you cancer there are better brake compounds now than there ever was back then. Nothing wrong with having those shoes relined.
 
Just ignore that guy. He shows up in almost every thread regarding drum brakes, trying to hock his 40+ year old brake shoes. And he talks that way to everyone, especially if anybody questions him. I suppose if you were doing some OE factory restoration on a big dollar car that'll never see many road miles it might be useful to run ancient NOS brake shoes. Otherwise, asbestos brake linings are like bias ply tires. They were the only thing that worked well when these cars were built, and they haven't been the best option for almost as long now. Even if they didn't give you cancer there are better brake compounds now than there ever was back then. Nothing wrong with having those shoes relined.
Thanks man..
 
Guess we all can figure out who is giving Red X's.

Well to be fair I handed out a few myself. If he wants to mention he’s got a warehouse full of obsolete, NOS brake junk that’s fine. But when he starts making up crap like how it’s better and nothing stops as well and asbestos causing cancer is all a big conspiracy he gets a big red X.

And if all I get out of him is a red X in return then he’s restraining himself. He gets pretty nasty when you point out that asbestos causes mesothelioma, even though it’s been shown in medical studies for decades. Or that brake technology has improved substantially in the last 40 years and asbestos brake linings have actually been obsolete for most of the time they’ve been outlawed for causing cancer. We’ve already seen some of that here when he went after the OP for thinking about relining his original shoes.

He does it every time, just look at his post history. Pretty much all of his posts are either him trying to hock his warehouse full of asbestos, or him arguing with anyone that dares to suggest that asbestos isn’t the best way to go for any of a dozen different reasons.
 
What he has is older stock and some of it may be pretty good stuff. I had some Raybestos brake pads in the late 80s that were really good and now NLA probably due to asbestos content.
But I prefer not to describe materials as good, best or obsolete because those are not functional or objective descriptions.
Linings have a variety of materials that go into the composition. I wouldn't write off or exult a lining performance based on knowing it did or did not include asbestos.
We can say that lining dust in general is dangerous to breath - wash it down, don't blow it. Furthermore, asbestos dust and fibers has particularly dangerous consequences if it gets in the lungs. So if you don't want to use lining that was made with it, that's understandable.

what's the problem with having my shoes relined?, I'm not concerned with having asbestos shoes
the problem will be finding a shop. Rochester brake is one I'm aware of on the East Coast. They can arc shoes and have a pretty wide selection of materials. They don't have much of a website, so you'll have to talk with them if you are so interested.

First things first. Check the shoe frame (metal part) for a number and note the location and shape of the holes etc.
Then look in the 1968 service manual to see if it looks the same, or whether they match the '69 up shoes and adjusters.
Sometimes people switch to the '69 up shoes and adjusters.
 
looks like clutch and brake inc., in Worcester Ma. does relining.

I'd bet you could still find "reliners" in most areas.
 
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