How to set up a Holley 4 bbl for a Mopar

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How to set up a Holley 4 bbl for a Mopar

Ok there have been a few posts asking about this lately. If you don't use the proper bracket for the Mopar, and just the universal one that comes on the carb, you may not be able to get the secondaries fully open...

First you need to get the holley throttle bracket for the Mopars, Holley part # 20-7.

Holley 20-7 Carburetor Throttle Lever Extension - Holley Performance Products

Here are some links to it at Summit Racing and Mancini Racing:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-20-7

Holley Throttle Lever Extension


After you get that bracket, then you need to install it to the carb. Here's how it goes:

Here's what comes in the kit:

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You will need to take the old stud off the original carb from your car..

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It mounts on the bracket like this. But wait to install it until you bolt it to the carb so the stud doesn't get in the way of you putting the bracket on the carb.

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Here's how the bracket mounts onto the carb with the two bolts and nuts supplied in the kit.

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Here it is from another angle:

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Here it is with the stud attached:

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Here it is from the front. You may need to rotate the head of the top bolt to install the throttle cable ferrule as sometimes the edges on the corner may get in the way. You can see it's pretty tight in this picture. Try to get the flat side of the nut right near the stud, not a corner.

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Here's another shot from the front and side:

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Here it is from the back:


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Here it is hooked up on an engine.

I like to put washers on each side of the kick down linkage to keep it in the proper position with a cotter pin on the end as shown here. The spring for the kickdown linkage also goes inside the outer washer just inside the cotter pin:

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Here you can see the spring for the kick down on the right. Notice that the throttle return spring goes inside the fitting from the throttle cable.

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If you are converting a 2 bbl engine to a 4 bbl, you will want to get the stock 340 4 bbl throttle bracket. Here's the link for it at Mancini:

Mancini Racing Throttle Cable Mounting Bracket

You can then use all of the stock 2 bbl kick down linkage, but you will have to lengthen the rod with the slot that goes to the carb. The center rod and the rod from the trans to the pivot bracket just behind the starter stay the same...

Here's a diagram showing the stock 318 2 bbl kick down with the ball crank linkage from the 67 - 72 vintage. This is from page 21-50 of the 68 Plymouth service manual available for download here:


MyMopar - Mopar Forums & Information - Service Manuals

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Here are the throttle brackets compared side by side. The blue one is from a 318 2 bbl, and the black one is a 340 4 bbl style like the one in the link in the post #2 above. I have the mounting holes lined up on them so you can see that the 4 bbl one sticks out about 1 1/2" - 2" more forward than the 2 bbl bracket mount for the throttle cable.


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Here you can see the mounting for the cable ferrule for the 2 bbl is horizontal and rearward, where the 4 bbl mount is more forward and vertical. This is the view looking from the top, so it's upside down.

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With the 4 bbl bracket, you can still use the 2 bbl throttle cable.

But the rear mount for the kick down rod to the carb is in the same position relative to the engine on both, so you will have to lengthen the rod with the slot about 1 1/2" - 2". This is just as easy as making an extension to put on the end of the male threaded part. They do sell them pre-made now, but in the old days we had to make one ourselves...

First you need to get some round or hex stock and drill and tap it for 3/8" fine thread or 3/8" x 24 thread. Then get some 3/8" x 24 threaded rod and cut off a piece to put in the round stock that you drilled and tapped. You want to make the 'base' about 2" long and thread the threaded rod in about half-way and leave the other half of the threads to screw it onto the tip of the kick down rod.

Here's a phantom view of the piece of round or hex stock that you need to drill and tap to 3/8" x 24 thread:

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Here is a shaded view of it:

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Now you will need to cut about a 2 1/2" - 3" length of the 3/8" x 24 thread rod.

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Then you screw the threaded rod halfway in the round or hex stock, then mount on the end of the kick down rod...

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Here's some pictures of one I made many years ago and used on my daily driver - pardon the rust/patina... I also used a jam nut on each end to keep it from walking after it is adjusted..


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Here are the diagrams and instructions from the 68 Plymouth service manual on how to adjust the 67-72 style 3 piece kick down with the ball crank.

Here's the diagram:

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Here's the the instructions on how to properly adjust it. If the kick down is not adjusted properly, the trans won't down shift properly and the line pressures won't be correct and can lead to early failure of the trans, so it's important to have it properly adjusted.

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Here's how it will look when done and all hooked up properly. This rod was the proper length and didn't need to be modified. Good luck all, happy motoring and I hope this helped you...

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THANKS ,KRAZY KUDA....! I needed this honest info,a looooonnnggg time ,ago...

You're welcome... Sorry it's a little late for you...

I've seen a couple of threads concerning this in the last week and found my pictures and took new ones for what I didn't have to cover the whole thing from throttle bracket adapting to kick down linkage. Now when it come up again, we can post a link to this thread as needed...

This will complement 6pk2goDemon thread on converting a 2 bbl to a 4 bbl... We need to find the link to that and post it here.


2-Barrel to 4-Barrel Conversion

Thanks for the link TMM.

Here's another thread on a 2 bbl to 4 bbl conversion worth reading:

LD4B installation on a 75 318
 
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This is really great, thanks! I now see what I need to do to correct the setup on my '67 Barracuda and I am also planning a 2 barrel to 4 barrel swap on my '78 Street Van/318.
Do you have a source for that throttle stud? I need at least one of those.
 
5 Stars!!! Excellent write up & submitted for inclusion in the "How To Articles"

Thanks KK :thumbsup:
 
This is really great, thanks! I now see what I need to do to correct the setup on my '67 Barracuda and I am also planning a 2 barrel to 4 barrel swap on my '78 Street Van/318.
Do you have a source for that throttle stud? I need at least one of those.

Here's the Holley version, but I like the stock one better... The end that the throttle cable goes to looks different...

Find any stock Mopar OEM carb in a junk yard and nab them...

Holley 20-67 Carburetor Throttle Stud - Holley Performance Products

Carburetor Parts and Components - Holley Performance Products


https://www.summitracing.com/search?SortBy=BestKeywordMatch&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=Holley 20-67

manciniracing.com
 
Karl...awesome writeup!!! This thread needs to be a sticky! You know all this info also applies to installing an Edelbrock 4bbl carb in place of a 2bbl too!
 
Great write up thanks! Does the kickdown to throttle ratio adapter still aplly for a cable setup like Lokar?
 
Great how to Article & timely & thanks for pic of throttle bracket: needed a Pic of 1 because I realised recently my 1 got lifted in a burglary too :( ( I was going to use it as a pattern to do some Repops )
Cheers Trev
 
I am wondering if your methods will work on my 1964 Dart slant 6 225 with 904 pushbutton automatic. I want to run a holley 390.
 
I am wondering if your methods will work on my 1964 Dart slant 6 225 with 904 pushbutton automatic. I want to run a holley 390.


Yes, they should work with a Holley on a slant if the carb has the same type of brackets...
 
Yes, they should work with a Holley on a slant if the carb has the same type of brackets...


I keep seeing posts that require me to change my accelerator pedal to a 64-66 A body V-8 pedal assembly or a slant 6 pedal assembly with AC. My car is a non AC car. I did see that Lokar has a universal accelerator pedal and a specific pedal to 67 and newer Dodge Darts.
 
I keep seeing posts that require me to change my accelerator pedal to a 64-66 A body V-8 pedal assembly or a slant 6 pedal assembly with AC. My car is a non AC car. I did see that Lokar has a universal accelerator pedal and a specific pedal to 67 and newer Dodge Darts.

You may need to use the accelerator pedal with the cable and not the one with the solid bar/rod linkage to work...
 
Karl (or others)

How does the geometry on the linkage and cable work with the Edelbrock intakes (e.g. D4B, LD4B)? I'm going to the 340 brackets but curious about how it would work given the height of the intake over OEM cast iron.

I'll get some photos this evening
 
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