I guess it is ALL about the money. New IHRA rules

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I appears IHRA is throwing safety out the window. ( flat passes in a heavy azz car without a roll bar. Hmmmmm. Took the test n tune only rule away and lowered the allowed ET.


Quaker City Motorsports Park
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IHRA track racers,
Just a quick note to let you know that the 2022 IHRA Rulebook is posted online at ihra.com here: https://www.ihra.com/.../IHRA.../2022_IHRA_RuleBook.pdf
The hard copy is at the printers and will ship out to you in your 2022 IHRA Track Information Kit after the 1st of the year.
Two items of note that have changed from last year:
2005 dated helmets are no longer accepted. SN, SA, M or K 2010 helmets are now the minimum accepted helmet.
Street Legal – To address the Tesla Model S Plaid, Demon, tuned up Hellcats and other street legal vehicles that are currently running quicker than 10.0 and are exposing our member tracks to insurance liability issues, we have moved the ET break for Street Legal to 9.0 and 145mph. We have also removed the restriction of these vehicles being limited to all street legal events (as it has been in the past) as we know these vehicles are showing up in your points programs. Street Legal vehicles running 9.99 and quicker will have to have 3.2-5 jacket and pants, 3.3 neck collar in addition to the 2010 and up helmet along with a valid IHRA membership & competition license due to the vehicle running 9.99 or quicker.
These changes have been made to address the advancements in performance from some of the newer vehicles, to include the electric vehicles in this category and to provide an avenue for you to promote this program to build a customer base of these vehicles while having it be a covered activity. If these vehicles do not meet the above criteria and you let them run this will not be a covered activity, no different than any other class that runs outside the limits of the rulebook. Let’s all be good guardians of this program and make sure we apply the rules consistently.
Below are how the Street Legal rules read:
9.00 and slower 1/4 mile 6.00 and slower 1/8 mile Up to 145 mph –
This group is limited to any 2008 or newer foreign or domestic production type internal combustion or electric automobile with unaltered OEM safety equipment, proof of registration and valid state or provincial license plates. The vehicles OEM installed antilock brakes, airbag functions, stability control and seat belts as well as all other OEM safety related systems must be always functional as per manufacturer specifications. OEM tires and wheels are not mandatory; however all tires must be DOT approved models.
These vehicles may run provided all the criteria listed within this section are verified prior to participation. -2008 OEM model year and newer production cars running 9.00 (1/4 mile) and 6.00 (1/8 mile) and slower, or up to 145 mph do not have to meet the requirements and specifications for the Summit ET safety rules except for the following: Convertibles and T-top entries must meet the minimum specifications listed in the ET bracket section for roll bar and roll cage requirement.
Vehicles must pass all state highway safety requirements in which the vehicle is registered prior to acceptance. SN, SA, M or K-2010 or newer helmet mandatory on all entries running 13.99 (1/4 mile) and 8.59 (1/8 mile) or quicker. A minimum of an SFI 3.2A-5 Jacket, and Pants and a 3.3 neck collar are mandatory for vehicles running 9.99 (1/4 mile) and 6.49 (1/8 mile) or quicker.
 
I appears IHRA is throwing safety out the window. ( flat passes in a heavy azz car without a roll bar. Hmmmmm. Took the test n tune only rule away and lowered the allowed ET.


Quaker City Motorsports Park
53m ·

IHRA track racers,
Just a quick note to let you know that the 2022 IHRA Rulebook is posted online at ihra.com here: https://www.ihra.com/.../IHRA.../2022_IHRA_RuleBook.pdf
The hard copy is at the printers and will ship out to you in your 2022 IHRA Track Information Kit after the 1st of the year.
Two items of note that have changed from last year:
2005 dated helmets are no longer accepted. SN, SA, M or K 2010 helmets are now the minimum accepted helmet.
Street Legal – To address the Tesla Model S Plaid, Demon, tuned up Hellcats and other street legal vehicles that are currently running quicker than 10.0 and are exposing our member tracks to insurance liability issues, we have moved the ET break for Street Legal to 9.0 and 145mph. We have also removed the restriction of these vehicles being limited to all street legal events (as it has been in the past) as we know these vehicles are showing up in your points programs. Street Legal vehicles running 9.99 and quicker will have to have 3.2-5 jacket and pants, 3.3 neck collar in addition to the 2010 and up helmet along with a valid IHRA membership & competition license due to the vehicle running 9.99 or quicker.
These changes have been made to address the advancements in performance from some of the newer vehicles, to include the electric vehicles in this category and to provide an avenue for you to promote this program to build a customer base of these vehicles while having it be a covered activity. If these vehicles do not meet the above criteria and you let them run this will not be a covered activity, no different than any other class that runs outside the limits of the rulebook. Let’s all be good guardians of this program and make sure we apply the rules consistently.
Below are how the Street Legal rules read:
9.00 and slower 1/4 mile 6.00 and slower 1/8 mile Up to 145 mph –
This group is limited to any 2008 or newer foreign or domestic production type internal combustion or electric automobile with unaltered OEM safety equipment, proof of registration and valid state or provincial license plates. The vehicles OEM installed antilock brakes, airbag functions, stability control and seat belts as well as all other OEM safety related systems must be always functional as per manufacturer specifications. OEM tires and wheels are not mandatory; however all tires must be DOT approved models.
These vehicles may run provided all the criteria listed within this section are verified prior to participation. -2008 OEM model year and newer production cars running 9.00 (1/4 mile) and 6.00 (1/8 mile) and slower, or up to 145 mph do not have to meet the requirements and specifications for the Summit ET safety rules except for the following: Convertibles and T-top entries must meet the minimum specifications listed in the ET bracket section for roll bar and roll cage requirement.
Vehicles must pass all state highway safety requirements in which the vehicle is registered prior to acceptance. SN, SA, M or K-2010 or newer helmet mandatory on all entries running 13.99 (1/4 mile) and 8.59 (1/8 mile) or quicker. A minimum of an SFI 3.2A-5 Jacket, and Pants and a 3.3 neck collar are mandatory for vehicles running 9.99 (1/4 mile) and 6.49 (1/8 mile) or quicker.
So who is in charge of, how would they know and what would they even do about it if one of the cars safety systems, for example air bags, aren't working properly?
 
Maybe they are going to hook the cars up to a computer and read the onboard computer?

:rofl:
 
Soon it will be No combustion engines. No sound, No tire smoke, No fuel, Load up the kids and move them around in the car for traction.

Until they eliminate Tires. Yes, Floating electromagnetic propulsion controlled with a hand held receiver. Sort of like a Drone.
 
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So how long before someone with too much $$ and no skills crashes one of these cars at those speeds and gets hurt? I thought 10.00s was plenty fast without a roll bar/cage.
 
There is also the concern of a 9 second "street" car weighing up to around 4,100lbs chasing a little 20 second FWD car and judging it at finish line. So what if the OEM fast car is deemed "safe" at those speeds. Some of the older, slower cars are like an aluminum beer/soda can in comparison.

I didn't think it was a good idea when NHRA allowed 8 second cars in the stock classes. So far, so good. But this at local tracks where just about anyone can enter, including some inexperienced people that have more money than common sense.
 
When I was in my younger years and doing the endurance races a roll bar was manatory. A guy came in with one of those old bed frames that looked like a bent metal pipe with up and down smaller pipes like a jail door. They stood it up behind the bench seat and wrapped a full roll of duct tape round and round to the seat. They left him race!

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Our track is IHRA. I have been watching street bikes go 9's without a roll cage for years. Not sure how a Demon or Tesla would be any less safe than a Hayabusa.
 
Our track is IHRA. I have been watching street bikes go 9's without a roll cage for years. Not sure how a Demon or Tesla would be any less safe than a Hayabusa.

less safe for the guy in the other lane. 4000+ pounds of metal in the hands( maybe) of a guy with a fat wallet but no track experience.
99% of the time if a bike has an incident, it effects only the rider.
A significant difference…..
 
less safe for the guy in the other lane. 4000+ pounds of metal in the hands( maybe) of a guy with a fat wallet but no track experience.
99% of the time if a bike has an incident, it effects only the rider.
A significant difference…..
Well, the safety equipment such as a cage, applied to the Demon or Tesla woudn't stop that 4k pound car from slamm'n into the guy in the other lane, now would it.
 
would you rather be on 2 wheels or 4 if a car comes across the centerline?
Did you read the rule changes?? Cages, collars, helmets, etc only provide safety for the DRIVER of that car. It does NOTHING for the guy in the other lane. The rule changes that the op posted were about safety to the driver of the Demon or whatever. So I ask again, how does the cage keep the fat wallet punk kid from crossing into your lane??? It doesn't. It's about the safety of the driver of the Demon. So I say again "street bikes have been making passes with roll cages for years".
  • Now, if you want to discuss experience of drivers, then that would be a different thread.
 
Did you read the rule changes?? Cages, collars, helmets, etc only provide safety for the DRIVER of that car. It does NOTHING for the guy in the other lane. The rule changes that the op posted were about safety to the driver of the Demon or whatever. So I ask again, how does the cage keep the fat wallet punk kid from crossing into your lane??? It doesn't. It's about the safety of the driver of the Demon. So I say again "street bikes have been making passes with roll cages for years".
  • Now, if you want to discuss experience of drivers, then that would be a different thread.

i misread the post. My bad. You are right
 
How things have changed!.. I run mainly at NHRA tracks and I remember having to run out and get a roll bar put in because my Dart ran 11.90s.. many years ago!!!
 
Our track is IHRA. I have been watching street bikes go 9's without a roll cage for years. Not sure how a Demon or Tesla would be any less safe than a Hayabusa.
Crash a car at those speeds you get hurt. Add a cage. So they need to keep the injuries to a minimum. to lessen the medical payments

Crash a bike at High speed your getting seriously injured with a helmet on. the insurance keeps paying your medical
Get rid of the helmet and your dead. One time minimum payment.
 
Crash a car at those speeds you get hurt. Add a cage. So they need to keep the injuries to a minimum. to lessen the medical payments

Crash a bike at High speed your getting seriously injured with a helmet on. the insurance keeps paying your medical
Get rid of the helmet and your dead. One time minimum payment.
I can buy a high 9 second street bike easily for under 10k. A high 9 second street car, such as a Demon or Tesla, is going to run mega bucks. So the cool squirrelly cats can jump on a 9 second bike much easier because of price range, ride it to the track (no experience needed), and fly down the track on two wheels. My point is, swing at a nat, swallow a camel. If a factory car can get into the 9's, then no cage required. I guess the real question is... "why do we build 9 second cars from the factory for the street?"
 
The requirement to have a competition license addresses the safety of the driver in the other lane. Also at my track you can not run quicker than 11.0 in Sportsman 1/4 bracket racing. I've also refused to make a pass when a person in the other lane can't even manage to stage a car.
 

Did you read the rule changes?? Cages, collars, helmets, etc only provide safety for the DRIVER of that car. It does NOTHING for the guy in the other lane. The rule changes that the op posted were about safety to the driver of the Demon or whatever. So I ask again, how does the cage keep the fat wallet punk kid from crossing into your lane??? It doesn't. It's about the safety of the driver of the Demon. So I say again "street bikes have been making passes with roll cages for years".
  • Now, if you want to discuss experience of drivers, then that would be a different thread.

If it scares you running next to a car that fast the option is to update your car to make it safer or stay home.
 
If it scares you running next to a car that fast the option is to update your car to make it safer or stay home.
I don't even know what this old thread was about... LOL And I'm not going to re-read it all. But, whatever I said, I stand bye it!!! :D
 
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