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Speak up or not

  • Keep your nose out of it

    Votes: 17 6.9%

  • Speak up

    Votes: 228 93.1%
  • Total voters
    245
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I had to also agree that a poor or inaccurate description should be questioned...but I also noticed some names missing on here that would have a strong opinion on not being questioned, since I have questioned in the past and gotten a resounding "keep your opinion to yourself unless your buying".
 
I have sent a PM to members and asked them to correct their error, and that has worked in the past. But if your intent is to correct a mistake or clarify an entry than I would think that would be welcomed?
 
Hard to make a determination on an issue without reading it all and understanding what the real issue is. I'm sure yall have been awaiting my spill. Here ya go. Hell, i'll even give you my opinion on how i feel would be the best way to handle a matter of this nature. To start off with, being somewhat thick skinned and all like i am, if you see an ad that i have posted incorrectly, feel free to chime in and correct me on the matter. Dont be a prick about it. Just point out that you feel it fits this, not that. Your good deed has been done and taken in a thankful spirit. I dont think Fishy did anything wrong. Maybe a PM to the poster first. No need to drag a Mod in on a trivial matter, but when you need us we'll be on it like a pitbull on a t-bone. Sometimes on ebay i often email the seller to let em know that the part they are selling fits this, not that. Just trying to help ya sell your stuff. Most times i get a thankful reply. A word of advice. If someone's trying to help ya, let em. Believe me, there are folks out there smarter than me so this old dog can learn a new trick. Chew on that for awhile.
Did i mention i love this site? Yalls just a bunch a brothers and sisters....maybe a kissin cousin or two. See ya at MMW.
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Since I am the original poster of the now famous Exhaust Manifold thread I thought it was about time i chimed in.I simply posted a For sale ad for a set of 1973 dated 340 exhaust manifolds nothing more than that. They were advertised as Hi-Po manifolds per the White books & because they were for a 340. They ARE different than 318 manifolds.Fishy posted that there were no different 318 manifolds & that is not true.I also did not think anyone would have mistaken them for 68-70 340 manifolds since i said they were 73 dated in the ad. I didn't have any pics at the time but have since posted some I would not have expected anyone to purchase them without asking for pics first.Plus at $200 they are priced at 1/2 the price of the earlier Manifolds.If Fishy had a problem with the description a simple PM would have been fine instead of posting & making it sound like I was trying to deceive someone.
Thank You
Sal
 
gts1 said:
Since I am the original poster of the now famous Exhaust Manifold thread I thought it was about time i chimed in.I simply posted a For sale ad for a set of 1973 dated 340 exhaust manifolds nothing more than that. They were advertised as Hi-Po manifolds per the White books & because they were for a 340. They ARE different than 318 manifolds.Fishy posted that there were no different 318 manifolds & that is not true.I also did not think anyone would have mistaken them for 68-70 340 manifolds since i said they were 73 dated in the ad. I didn't have any pics at the time but have since posted some I would not have expected anyone to purchase them without asking for pics first.Plus at $200 they are priced at 1/2 the price of the earlier Manifolds.If Fishy had a problem with the description a simple PM would have been fine instead of posting & making it sound like I was trying to deceive someone.
Thank You
Sal
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Sal in my opinion I did not in any way make it sound like you were trying to deceive someone. I could have said "hey them ain't HI-PO manifolds. Are you trying to crook someone? But I didn't. Also if you also notice I never once mentioned your name or handle nor the type of parts that were question nor provided a link to the for sale thread anywhere in this thread. I could have easily done all that to point a finger at you, but I didn't. My intent in this thread was just to find out how people felt on the matter of speaking up. This thread was purely generic in how I wrote it.

To be perfectly clear about my original intent concerning the ad, I was interested when I saw them listed because you listed them as "Hi-PO" manifolds and I'm looking at buying a project I need some for. Since the only Hi-Po manifolds that were made were 68-70's that's what I thought you were advertising until I clicked on the thread. When I read you said they were 73 manifolds my exact words in my original question were

"Hi-po manifolds from 73? I thought the Hi-po manifolds disappeared after 70 or 71 so all are basically the same after that. Just my thoughts and the rememberer isn't always great so I could be wrong. Pics would prove it." (I copied and pasted that from the original ad so as to get it exactly correct).
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The White book may call them Hi-Po manifold but it's incorrect. I have what looks like the exact same set of manifolds out in the shed and they did in fact come off a 318 so in that time era I believe they were the same. But that's not proven, just my theory. Since you brought it up can you prove that in fact 318 manifolds are different, other than the part number#.

BTW: On a final note, your parts are in very nice condition probably worth the price your asking, but that wasn't what I questioned anyway.
 
I'd vote for the PM to the seller first THEN post on the site.

However, if your argument involves questioning generally accepted information (like the white books) it is unfair to put that on the seller. When I list a part I'll say "the parts book lists this as correct for..." If you sent me a PM saying the parts book was incorrect, I'd ignore you as well. And I wouldn't want a huge discussion on my "for sale" post over whether the white book information is correct. and I CERTAINLY wouldn't want to be called a "ripoff" because we disagreed on whether the info was factual.

It's like arguing the information listed in price value guides. I disagree with much of it, but the info is considered the industry standard. Until Govier issues a revision or correction (or until someone else publishes a competing guide which becomes accepted as more accurate) it's what we go with.

BTW this would be a good time to reiterate the idea that sellers should be able to remove their posts if an item is described wrong or the post gets out of hand or after it is sold.
 
fishy68 said:
Sal in my opinion I did not in any way make it sound like you were trying to deceive someone. I could have said "hey them ain't HI-PO manifolds. Are you trying to crook someone? But I didn't. Also if you also notice I never once mentioned your name or handle nor the type of parts that were question nor provided a link to the for sale thread anywhere in this thread. I could have easily done all that to point a finger at you, but I didn't. My intent in this thread was just to find out how people felt on the matter of speaking up. This thread was purely generic in how I wrote it.

To be perfectly clear about my original intent concerning the ad, I was interested when I saw them listed because you listed them as "Hi-PO" manifolds and I'm looking at buying a project I need some for. Since the only Hi-Po manifolds that were made were 68-70's that's what I thought you were advertising until I clicked on the thread. When I read you said they were 73 manifolds my exact words in my original question were



The White book may call them Hi-Po manifold but it's incorrect. I have what looks like the exact same set of manifolds out in the shed and they did in fact come off a 318 so in that time era I believe they were the same. But that's not proven, just my theory. Since you brought it up can you prove that in fact 318 manifolds are different, other than the part number#.

BTW: On a final note, your parts are in very nice condition probably worth the price your asking, but that wasn't what I questioned anyway.
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The part number is what makes them different to someone restoring a 73 340 car.
 
If a published reference says the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, it's ok to say it's so? It's a rhetorical question...

An example is the "published" rear axle chart (this POS)

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or the exhaust manifold numbers compilation on many sites.

http://moparsunlimited.net/mopar_exhaust_manifold_casting_n.htm

Both have some poor info on lengths and part numbers.

Incorrect is incorrect no matter how you dress it. Luckily there are more than a few references to pull from to clarify.

IMO, asking to clarify or providing additional correct info is one thing, dogging about price is another and off limits.

Have fun everyone
 
a CONSTRUCTIVE comment is always helpful to someone either the seller, the buyer, or someone just reading the thread to learn more,
 
I think some people are way too sensitive when it comes to the for sale section.

If someone has a part listed incorrectly or if what they're asking is astronomical, I see no probably in the people "policing" themselves by telling the poster that the part is described wrong or the price is ridiculous. It keeps people from getting burned and it keeps the prices down for everyone.

Someone can list a part and have 10 replies of "Wow great deal!" but if one person chimes in on another part and says the person is asking way too much, it's like they are the devil and need to mind their own business.
 
I think it was a good idea to say something about it. Too many people see things that are wrong and never say a word.
 
I saw it and would have done the exact same thing. As far as the rule goes I though everyone would understand the reason and applications for it. Too many b.s. lawyers these days who try to find that loophole in everything so it favors themselves. You know this whole thing would have blown all out of portion if someone bought them and felt ripped off.
 
ESP47 said:
I think some people are way too sensitive when it comes to the for sale section.

If someone has a part listed incorrectly or if what they're asking is astronomical, I see no probably in the people "policing" themselves by telling the poster that the part is described wrong or the price is ridiculous. It keeps people from getting burned and it keeps the prices down for everyone.

Someone can list a part and have 10 replies of "Wow great deal!" but if one person chimes in on another part and says the person is asking way too much, it's like they are the devil and need to mind their own business.
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Yes,please speak up. The trouble arises when it becomes a big arguement or fight when someone says something abusive and then the original poster takes offence.

As far as prices go it's all subjective. Obviously the owner of the car/parts feels thier price is fair. Anyone paying thier price cant disagree too much either.

That being said,you cant police stupidity and there are some who will pay any price to get what they want simply because they have money. This is where I draw the line because if buyer A payes 3X the going rate for a part,then all the rest of the folks with the same part feel they are justified in getting the same price. This has helped ruin the hobby for many folks who can just barely afford to put together thier hotrod already.There are also many parts "flippers" here who pick up parts on the cheap and then resell them here. I dont have a problem with this as long as the customer is getting fair value.

Not pointing fingers at anyone o.k? But if you can afford to pay more and have,try to keep it on the quiet side so us poorer folks dont suffer the side effects.
 
I voted, checked out the thread, and saw nothing I think is inappropriate. Inquiring about accuracy is VITAL! I posted there:

Point is, fishy clicked on the link that said 340 Exhaust Manifolds. That show he has interest in them, or he wouldn't have looked. Wanting to clarify an accurate description further shows interest in getting the right part.
Why is everyone on here trying to find others doing wrong...too many chiefs, not enough indians. Panic, mayhem, fear is out of control.
Everyone else needs to mind their own business! Your comments are what's really in violation of the rules since you are posting comments that obviously show you are not interested in the part, just in busting someone else's chops. Get a grip!
 
I was only sticking up for another member.And what you just posted on his thread is no different,and just as bad of a violation.And I still believe a PM is the way to go. I will apologize now, I guess I was wrong.
 
needsaresto said:
Yes,please speak up. The trouble arises when it becomes a big arguement or fight when someone says something abusive and then the original poster takes offence.

As far as prices go it's all subjective. Obviously the owner of the car/parts feels thier price is fair. Anyone paying thier price cant disagree too much either.

That being said,you cant police stupidity and there are some who will pay any price to get what they want simply because they have money. This is where I draw the line because if buyer A payes 3X the going rate for a part,then all the rest of the folks with the same part feel they are justified in getting the same price. This has helped ruin the hobby for many folks who can just barely afford to put together thier hotrod already.There are also many parts "flippers" here who pick up parts on the cheap and then resell them here. I dont have a problem with this as long as the customer is getting fair value.

Not pointing fingers at anyone o.k? But if you can afford to pay more and have,try to keep it on the quiet side so us poorer folks dont suffer the side effects.
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Thats exactly what I've been saying for a while now. If some guy comes on here and is new to the hobby and see's that someone is selling an AM radio for $300, then he might think thats the going rate for them. Once he pays for it then the next guy sees that and puts his radio up for $300. Before you know it, $250 is a helluva deal for a broke down AM radio.

There is a guy on my local craigs list selling 73 Duster doors for $600, the hood for $350, the trunk for $325 and the "Duster" emblems for $100 a piece. I emailed him and told him he's listing some of these things for 1000% over what they are actually worth and he basically told me to F*&% off. I just don't like seeing greedy people turn this hobby into something only upper middle class people can afford.
 
I agree esp47. But there seems to be plenty of folks willing to price the hobby out of our hands and into thiers.
 
ESP47 said:
Thats exactly what I've been saying for a while now. If some guy comes on here and is new to the hobby and see's that someone is selling an AM radio for $300, then he might think thats the going rate for them. Once he pays for it then the next guy sees that and puts his radio up for $300. Before you know it, $250 is a helluva deal for a broke down AM radio.

There is a guy on my local craigs list selling 73 Duster doors for $600, the hood for $350, the trunk for $325 and the "Duster" emblems for $100 a piece. I emailed him and told him he's listing some of these things for 1000% over what they are actually worth and he basically told me to F*&% off. I just don't like seeing greedy people turn this hobby into something only upper middle class people can afford.
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So what you guys are saying is that YOU andYOU only,should put THE price on all parts.Is this just YOUR hobby?Why do you have to talk in the hypothetical?I have walked behind other people in a swap meet and listened to them RANT and RAVE about the prices TOO high.Some were and some were not.But when you buy the item they were screaming about they are upset with you.You can be in this hobby with a hemicuda convertable,or with a 51 plymouth hull.I have been in this HOBBY since i was 14,and i have seen all types of people.I hope this GUY got all he asked for his parts.Just because YOU felt they were TOO high-WHO ARE YOU? Dont buy them.If you can only afford a hot dog,why do you feel you should get a steak?I dont like CHEAP people trying to downgrade our cars.If you want cheap parts, they make a lot of them for mustangs and camaros.The ONLY reason that you see prices going through the roof for chrysler cars is because of the aftermarket.Sadly before long you will get your wish,as some of us have taken YEARS to finish our dream.You will get your CHEAP dream.
 
d5667 said:
So what you guys are saying is that YOU andYOU only,should put THE price on all parts.Is this just YOUR hobby?Why do you have to talk in the hypothetical?I have walked behind other people in a swap meet and listened to them RANT and RAVE about the prices TOO high.Some were and some were not.But when you buy the item they were screaming about they are upset with you.You can be in this hobby with a hemicuda convertable,or with a 51 plymouth hull.I have been in this HOBBY since i was 14,and i have seen all types of people.I hope this GUY got all he asked for his parts.Just because YOU felt they were TOO high-WHO ARE YOU? Dont buy them.If you can only afford a hot dog,why do you feel you should get a steak?I dont like CHEAP people trying to downgrade our cars.If you want cheap parts, they make a lot of them for mustangs and camaros.The ONLY reason that you see prices going through the roof for chrysler cars is because of the aftermarket.Sadly before long you will get your wish,as some of us have taken YEARS to finish our dream.You will get your CHEAP dream.
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hey if you want to pay $600 for 73 duster doors go ahead no one is stopping you, they are on craigslist, just dont go telling the rest of us that is what they are worth
 
Probably enjoys pounding his head against the wall too. Has as much point.:banghead:

Tell ya what I'll pay way less and you pay way more,that way I get my parts cheap and you being foolish will be parted with your money.
 
needsaresto said:
Probably enjoys pounding his head against the wall too. Has as much point.:banghead:

Tell ya what I'll pay way less and you pay way more,that way I get my parts cheap and you being foolish will be parted with your money.
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Ok you pay what you want and i will pay what i want.Im not telling you what they are worth.They are worth exactly what two people agree to their worth.He may have too much money in them.Its obvious you dont need them.Why do you need to degrade the man?
 
The point is - some people are new to this hobby, and may not know if a price is out of line or not. We can help those people save some money and get further along on their projects.
 
If you don't the price just move on. I have spent the last year patiently waiting here, craigslist, and ebay for deals to come on. I bought a 3.91, 742 case sure grip on here for 250 buck plus shipping, a practically new MP distributor for 90, a reverse manual valve body(new) for 80, a proform 750 holley carb body for 60, a camshaft for my magnum for 100(I know that sounds like a lot but magnum cams are more than LA) and so on. If you're not in a hurry and can wait the deals are out there especially now while many people are parting with their stuff because of hard times.
 
shocked to see this go this many pages.

if anybody doesn't get thats it's ok to look out for one another then maybe you should take/keep your scams on ebag
 
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