Real Horsepower of Muscle Cars

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StrokerScamp said:
Are you close to Charlotte? I have a real good friend from there who works for the local Chrysler body shop parts department here in Macon now. He used to have a '74 Yellow Challenger back in the day that had the first roller cam setup in the Charlotte area on the street. That car had a really nasty reputation.
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I'm about an hour and a half north west of Charlotte... I love hearing the older guys sit around and talk about the good ole' days of hot-roddin' and street racing... The guy that told me about the hemi cuda is a life long mopar guy, he had a NHRA world record holder Duster back in the early 80's.. Where I grew up used to be the hot spot for street racing, the local bad-azz car was a '67 fastback stang that would jerk the front tires 2 feet in the air, he said that hemi cuda suked that stangs headlites out...
 
greenhornet, I was in Charlotte in 93 visiting and looking to move my striping business there which didn't pan out but anyways I went to the track and saw " Darn Dart " a 273 powered non aspirated drag racer turn a 10 something, I spoke with the owner back then while in the pits and was very impressed. Charlotte was nice and clean at the time might still be I dunno
 
I wouldn't argue at all with that 450hp 302 number, GM wasn't playing around in the mid to late 60's... I found a set of these stock GM pistons in the trunk of an old nova at a scrap yard I worked at, I've never ran the part number, but these don't look like any low compression dished or flat tops...
 

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Yeah those are them. They were 11.5:1. Do the math. 11.5:1 with 302 cubes, a tuftrided steel crank, good flowin 186 castin 2.02 valve heads, a lumpy solid cam and TWO FOURS on a crossram WITH HEADERS. That's makin more than 400 HP I don't give a rat's *** whose dyno it's on. duhhhhhhhh LOL
 
StrokerScamp said:
Yeah those are them. They were 11.5:1. Do the math. 11.5:1 with 302 cubes, a tuftrided steel crank, good flowin 186 castin 2.02 valve heads, a lumpy solid cam and TWO FOURS on a crossram WITH HEADERS. That's makin more than 400 HP I don't give a rat's *** whose dyno it's on. duhhhhhhhh LOL
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Stroker.Back in the late 80s I owned a lawn service and one of my workers owed me $20.He gave me a set of the #186 castings for the 20.I had an L-78 396 and I sold it to a guy and gave him the small block heads with the 396.
 
HotLines said:
Ya talk about the 70's and 80's but I did alot of street racing back in the early 60's and before I was out of my teens I had a 57 Chevy business man's coupe with a 6:71 blown 301 which is a 1/8" over 283, a racer brown roller cam and a Vitar engineering hydro. Some may find this hard to believe but my shifting points were between 87 and 9200 rpm and the engine was checked for bearing wear monthly. That was then and this is now, I am a free hand pinstriper who has been around cars all my life and started striping at 9 years old.

I too have a soft spot for Chevys as well and anything that scoots. I have a rebuilt 60 over 95 LT1 engine which makes 360 cu.inches sitting in my shop with a T56 6 speed attached. what I may do with it will peeve persons here but life is too short to play games both political and otherwise, I don't bench race or play games

mike devore, that's what it was and that's what it is. Guess it depends on where you were in 1969 whether in a carriage or driving a DZ302
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I believe every word about the 301. I've seen a few. Hard to explain that those early blocks will punch that far, but they will. I had an original small block '67 SS Chevelle many moons ago. 300 HP 327 and a powerglide. I went through that car from one end to the other. When I was done it was more like 425 HP, built powerglide and 4.88 gears. I had a Mallory unilite distributor with a Moroso 10K cable drive tack drive off the distributor. I had that car twistin 9200 RPM in I-475 outrunnin some dude in a '68 Camaro.....so I know first hand what you're talkin about....and believe it. I never have liked bench racin either, but I'll tell a good real racin story every now and then.
 
horsehead said:
Stroker.Back in the late 80s I owned a lawn service and one of my workers owed me $20.He gave me a set of the #186 castings for the 20.I had an L-78 396 and I sold it to a guy and gave him the small block heads with the 396.
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Dang. I used to hunt all over for them 186 heads. You can still find um with the 1.94 valves every now and then, but hardly with the 2.02s. Now I'm talkin FACTORY installed valves here. We used to find stuff like that in local junkyards around here all the time. Friend of mine found a Galaxie 500 2 door post that said "7 LITER" on the fender. Remember those?
 
Now your all wrong:-D The Buick Stage 1 has to be one of the most badass muscle cars of all time. The factory torque rating alone was 510 ft/lb, more than a hemi. And talk about a sleeper.......... this an't your grandpa's Buick.
 
67valiant 100 said:
Now your all wrong:-D The Buick Stage 1 has to be one of the most badass muscle cars of all time. The factory torque rating alone was 510 ft/lb, more than a hemi. And talk about a sleeper.......... this an't your grandpa's Buick.
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I go right along with all that...but the best lookin body Buick ever had was the Skylark based one.....and that wasn't sayin much. They always had hot motors but their bodies just always lacked somethin to me.
 
What about a GSX. Now thats a badass looking car with a badass engine. Note not all GSX were Stage 1s.
 
well actually 67valiant 100 you are wrong when you type " Now your all wrong " it should read You are all wrong or You're all wrong but your is not correct.
 
67valiant 100 said:
What about a GSX. Now thats a badass looking car with a badass engine. Note not all GSX were Stage 1s.
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They were ok. They were big, gawdy, heavy as hell and tacky. But if you could get around all that, I reckon they were the car for you. Don't get me wrong.....I loved the whole concept. Big *** luxo power barge. But they just some kinda element that just didn't jibe with me somehow. Sorta like the Oldsmobile 442 cars. Though I like the 442 a little better.
 
I think one VERY important "BAD-AZZ" engine wasn't even on the list... I'd run that buick stage 1, give me a SUPER DUTY 455 Trans Am and set of hooker headers and free flowin' exhaust...
 
greenhornet said:
I think one VERY important "BAD-AZZ" engine wasn't even on the list... I'd run that buick stage 1, give me a SUPER DUTY 455 Trans Am and set of hooker headers and free flowin' exhaust...
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Yeah. The SD 421 wasn't there either. Nor the 390 AMC engine in the Hurst Scrambler. Lotsa stuff left off.
 
I like them from experience. My dad has an all original (except one repaint) 1972 Stage 1 auto. #s matching & stock. The fastest its gone so far is 14.43 seconds in the 1/4 mile with the tires blazing for the first 30ft. And talk about comfortable. Don't get me wrong I'm a mopar nut but I appreciate other cars too.
 

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Pumped 260 @ local Sunoco back in high school. Every hot rod in town came in for the stuff. My buddy and I use to say "hey, give you an extra gallon if ya light 'em up?".

Boss would come in the next day scratchin' his head.....

Of course we told them all to light 'em up in the street. Of course one guy didn't quite get that little tid-bit and started smoking the tires right at the island. The air line that rang the bell inside the station got wrapped around his rear-end. It took us better than 20 minutes to get it out from under his car.....

yeah, those were the days.
 
I love muscle cars, doesn't matter what brand... I always wanted one of these... Anything modified by Hurst, ya gotta love it....

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on the DZ302, if I could ever find the right crank to do it, I have everything else pistons, rods, 186 heads, to be able to play with one. I keep hearing everyone say they rev like a two stroke, I just gotta play with a 302 once before i get to old.

Nothing so far is as fun as shifting at 6500 RPM, gotta see what a smallblock sounds like north of 8K
 
I remember seeing those back in the day, but they were rare. That same 390 motor that powered the AMX was a screamer.

The Red/White & Blue styling "cues" are kinda funny. Imagine being in the AMC design room when they came up with the concept of the "SC" Rambler?

When you look at it, strip away the hood scoop and paint, it's the Rambler the old lady across the street drove....

There's one for sale locally (by me) for only $42K....

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/1983150824.html
 
floivanus said:
on the DZ302, if I could ever find the right crank to do it, I have everything else pistons, rods, 186 heads, to be able to play with one. I keep hearing everyone say they rev like a two stroke, I just gotta play with a 302 once before i get to old.

Nothing so far is as fun as shifting at 6500 RPM, gotta see what a smallblock sounds like north of 8K
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You need a large or small journal crank? I know where a bunch of them are.
 
All this makes me wonder about the 426 Max Wedge from '63. I believe it was rated at 425 h.p., it had to make more than that especially with the cross ram. and it's a Mopar, not a chevy. However, I do like the Z-11 W chevy engine, I think it had 500+. Can't discount the 427 medium riser ford either, all early sixties muscle.
 
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