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Does anyone know where the alternate VIN location is on a '65 Barracuda? I tried to register my recently acquired '65 Formula "S" today and found out that someone had drilled out the rivets on the VIN tag. Because of that the Ct DMV would not accept the tag. They had the directions for finding the alternate VIN number but it could not be found where their directions said it should be. Does anyone know where the correct location is for the alternate number? The car was built in the Los Angeles plant. Please send me a pm if you like. I can't get this car registered until I find this number. Thanks in advance.
 
It was discussed on here in the past that there were no rivets just a dab of glue. Supposedly the holes were for alignment only. If it has another it would be on the radiator support and under the weatherstrip on the trunk, but I don't know when they started putting the additional VIN's on..
 
GTGrinly said:
It was discussed on here in the past that there were no rivets just a dab of glue. Supposedly the holes were for alignment only. If it has another it would be on the radiator support and under the weatherstrip on the trunk, but I don't know when they started putting the additional VIN's on..
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Thanks. Do you know where know where a bouts to look under the weather strip, and is there any way to prove that it was just held on with glue? I can see the crazy look they will give me if I tell them that! And I believe the idea of two locations was so someone couldn't put another VIN number on a car trying to cover up a stolen car..
 
Man those morons.......................I've got rivets now cause I took the plate off when I painted the car and just riveted it back on when I was done. They weren't riveted on from the factory in these years.
 
I've run into this before also. In one case, I just made some rosette looking rivets out of some regular ones and popped them into the car to satisfy those DMV knuckleheads. If you want to keep it original looking, maybe you can find a broadcast sheet in the car somewhere. That will have the VIN and shipping order number on it. The shipping order number is what is stamped into the body....usually on the radiator core support under the antifreeze or battery sticker. Some cars have them on the trunk opening lip and firewall also. Another option is to contact Chrysler historical and try to get a copy of the original IBM card for the car. It has all that info too.
 
If the broadcast sheet is still there it would be under back seat in the springs. My current 65 it was gone, but my last car 66 had original sheet under rear seat. As far as I know no alternate vin on 65. looking at my 65 service manual vin # located on plate attched to left front door hing pillar 10 digit number is the vehicle serial number. hope it helps
 
What documentation did you receive with purchase. Title? Previous owners vehicle registration info. that matches vin. number or bill of sale with vin. number? These vin. tags absolutely did not have rivets & this is BS if you have documents showing car registered or titled with current vin# rivets or not. Had to have vin. on my valiant certified by state police in GA. before sale was final since it was thru estate and had no problems with lack of rivets. Will try to find notarized document & pictures certifying my unriveted vin. GA state police took & PM you.

Oldschoolcuda
 
Our DMV said the same thing with my 65 I fought it and won but it was alot of aggravation.
 
Funny, the VIN inspection on my Dart at the Nevada DMV, (who are usually real PITA's) went without any problems after we moved. Same for Colorado. The VIN inspection had no problems.

As for alternate locations of VINs, I dont know of any for the early A's. I seem to recall reading that the Partial VIN on trunk Trunk strip wasnt until 67 and/or 68's. (2nd Gen A & B Bodies) same for the radiator support. If you really do find them, Please share and let us know.
 
The Chrysler Historical Society can help you big time, search for them on google and email them your problem and they will fix it for you. I know this for a fact.

Another thing not that this will make any sense to some but you are allowed to remove and replace the vin tag and usually is done when restoring a vehicle, some will argue but its just like removing the tag on a pillow which reads only the owner can remove the tag, its a federal law.

Chrysler Historical society will work with you and send you papers because 1/2 of the DMV in the country don't know Jack
 
Roadcuda said:
Does anyone know where the alternate VIN location is on a '65 Barracuda? I tried to register my recently acquired '65 Formula "S" today and found out that someone had drilled out the rivets on the VIN tag. Because of that the Ct DMV would not accept the tag. They had the directions for finding the alternate VIN number but it could not be found where their directions said it should be. Does anyone know where the correct location is for the alternate number? The car was built in the Los Angeles plant. Please send me a pm if you like. I can't get this car registered until I find this number. Thanks in advance.
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Here's where the shipping order number is stamped on the radiator core support. On '65 and '66 models, the first two number are the year and plant....then the shipping order number. It will match the fender tag if they're from the same car. As you can see, sometimes one of the stickers is attached over the top of the number.....or partially anyway.
 

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Here's where the shipping order number is stamped on the radiator core support. On '65 and '66 models, the first two number are the year and plant....then the shipping order number. It will match the fender tag if they're from the same car. As you can see, sometimes one of the stickers is attached over the top of the number.....or partially anyway.
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I had the same problem trying to register my 65 valiant in Ct went to the DMV in Old Saybrook first.The inspector didn't have a clue he said the Vin should be on the dash.He told me a had to take it to Wethersfield I took it to the office in Hamden & it went right thru inspector didn't blink an eye.
 
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What documentation did you receive with purchase. Title? Previous owners vehicle registration info. that matches vin. number or bill of sale with vin. number? These vin. tags absolutely did not have rivets & this is BS if you have documents showing car registered or titled with current vin# rivets or not. Had to have vin. on my valiant certified by state police in GA. before sale was final since it was thru estate and had no problems with lack of rivets. Will try to find notarized document & pictures certifying my unriveted vin. GA state police took & PM you.

Oldschoolcuda
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Thanks for that offer Oldschool. Neither of the previous two owners had the car registered, but I do have a title from the state it was last registered in and that didn't sway them because they had an instruction sheet that said the VIN is stamped in another location. This is why they seem to be so hung up on finding that other number that doesn't exist.
 
HotLines said:
The Chrysler Historical Society can help you big time, search for them on google and email them your problem and they will fix it for you. I know this for a fact.

Another thing not that this will make any sense to some but you are allowed to remove and replace the vin tag and usually is done when restoring a vehicle, some will argue but its just like removing the tag on a pillow which reads only the owner can remove the tag, its a federal law.

Chrysler Historical society will work with you and send you papers because 1/2 of the DMV in the country don't know Jack
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I thought of that and found an address and sent an e-mail a few days ago. No response yet. But are you talking about their program to get a copy of the original build sheet from them. Fortunately I found the original build sheet under the back seat, and tried to explain to them how Chrysler applied the numbers to the cars, but that doesn't seem to be enough now.
 
1965 build sheets do NOT have the VIN, they have they do have the shipping order that matches the stamped number on the core support, also on the rear package shelf. Build sheet does you no good. I took my VIN off for paint, it was attched with glue & super tiny spot welds that could be broken with a razor blade. Ther are no rivets. You just need to epoxy the tag back on & find a more knowledgeable DMV emplyee if that's possible.
 
396 Signet said:
1965 build sheets do NOT have the VIN, they have they do have the shipping order that matches the stamped number on the core support, also on the rear package shelf. Build sheet does you no good. I took my VIN off for paint, it was attched with glue & super tiny spot welds that could be broken with a razor blade. Ther are no rivets. You just need to epoxy the tag back on & find a more knowledgeable DMV emplyee if that's possible.
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True, they don't have the complete vin number, but it does have the sequence number on it which of course is the last 6 digits of the vin.
 
Most -- if not ALL -- of the time , the different states don't even recognise pre-1981 , 13 digit v.i.n.'s !!

I've tried to search for my '72 Dart and '73 Duster , but the Ca.'s DMV only provides for the 1981 & later v.i.n.'s .

Your experience is typical of most DMV's (and government organisations in general ) :
" Don't Think Outside of the 'Rules' ! "
I'd even recommend looking for images on Google ( et al. ) where a '67 & earlier v.i.n. is shown ( lower "A" pillar ) without these alleged rivets .
 
Roadcuda said:
True, they don't have the complete vin number, but it does have the sequence number on it which of course is the last 6 digits of the vin.
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Have 2 complete buildsheets for my 65 & it definitely has no VIN or any portion of the VIN on it. Might be true for other years but not 65, at least not on mine.
 
Roadcuda said:
True, they don't have the complete vin number, but it does have the sequence number on it which of course is the last 6 digits of the vin.
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I don't think that's true in '65. The sequence number is different than the VIN sequential number. I believe the sequence number on a '65 build sheet indicates a location on the assembly line. I have several '65 build sheets and they are anywhere from 4 to 6 digits long....some with letters in them. Does your '65 VIN match your sequence number?
 
Try another county or state.Here in Ontario,Canada when buying a used vehicle,we have to pay $20 for a previous owners sheet(buyers package)it shows all previous owners.It sucks to pay $20,but can save you large cash in the end.Good luck getting it registered.
 
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I don't think that's true in '65. The sequence number is different than the VIN sequential number. I believe the sequence number on a '65 build sheet indicates a location on the assembly line. I have several '65 build sheets and they are anywhere from 4 to 6 digits long....some with letters in them. Does your '65 VIN match your sequence number?
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Yes, the last six numbers on the vin match the sequence number on the upper left corner of the build sheet.
 
Roadcuda said:
Yes, the last six numbers on the vin match the sequence number on the upper left corner of the build sheet.
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They don't match up on this one. The Vin is different than the sequence number on this car. All the options, color codes, and shipping number match the car but the sequence number in the upper left of the build sheet doesn't match the VIN. All original car. Any ideas? Check out the notes in the margin on this sheet. Evidently they had cars with the same sequence number but different letter suffixes. That's why I thought it was a location on the assembly line rather than a particular VIN. Comments?
 

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