Notttttttt quite! If (a very big if) Clifford decides to get off their butts and send you anything at all, you can get an example of what happens when a skilled, talented, dedicated craftsman (Doug Dutra) sells his patterns and tooling to a jerkoff who doesn't give a poo as long as he's got your money (Clifford). The Clifford manifolds have what can be politely described as "issues with inconsistent quality". Just like their headers. :roll: