carter fuel pump made in korea?

Does this suck?

  • Yes, Korean Carter pisses me off!

    Votes: 120 88.9%

  • No, I like my Carter pump made overseas!

    Votes: 15 11.1%
  • Total voters
    135
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70aarcuda said:
Corporate greed....you have unions that want high wages..plus vacation/sick leave plus retirement benefits, you got a govt that wants 36% corporate taxes...you got a EPA that is forcing you to spend hundreds of thousands to cut "greenhouse gases"...

and you now have to provide health care to all you workers...

and you wonder why all the jobs are going overseas....the business climate in this country is why.......
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You said!!! all of this is killing my company in Pittsburgh, PA and I have a meeting at the end of February with a China based manufacturer to discuss what they can do for us. At the end of the day if my business does not make a profit, then all of my employees WILL lose their jobs. I'm not in business to pay my employees bills, I'm in business to make a profit (worthy of the major investment I had to make) and to pay my own bills. But when all of my employees make $50K a year + another $15K in pension, savings, & health benefits and i just saw my that my business made less than 1/2 of that in profit, it makes me think someone is getting laid off and soon as in next week..... Its just the way the business world works.

Make the part as cheap as you can and sell it for the highest price you can..... You can see this in the parts classified section. One week you hear a guy saying he found a great part in a box that came with a parts car (so he paid nothing for it, and the next week you see if for sale for an arm and a leg...same principle...

So I say good for carter. Hopefully it will help them stay in business.
 
demon34071 said:
Get rid of the EPA's power to shut business down or fine
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Hey, yeah, great idea, then we can go right back to dumping mercury and lead in the air, land, and water. It'll be just like the good ol' days when you couldn't see a hundred feet in any direction on any day after 12 noon in Los Angeles or Denver, and when rivers caught on actual, real fire because of all the crap we dumped in them.

No, what we need is to go the other direction: stop pretending we've ended child labor and slavery and unsafe working conditions and pollution when all we've done is hidden them away out of sight in China. Global trade? Sure, no problem. It's just that whatever you want to import has to have been manufactured in accord with safety and environmental standards at least as strict as our domestic ones. If not, they can't be imported. Want to send your stuff to us, China? Fine, then clean up your filthy toilet of a country and stop using 7-year-old political dissidents as factory workers. Watch how fast it stops being cheaper to have stuff made offshore.
 
slantsixdan, what would you care about about bad air in LA or Denver, or how the EPA and unions hurt our companies, when you don't even live in the USA?? Last I saw aren't you from Canada? Now we have Canadian's chiming in on how to run the USA too. . . . back to watching football FABO is making my head hurt.
 
I believe Dan was born and raised in the USA.
 
I shouldn't, I shouldn't, I shouldn't, but here we go...
It doesn't matter if Dan is from Canada or Bangledesh (?). We only have one world to live in. What do you want to leave for your grandkids?
As far as overseas production goes, most of this stuff is made to the U.S. based corporations designs and specs. Quality control is still the responsibility of the company outsourcing the part. I absolutely believe in supporting American companies and American workers. I am not however going to cut off my nose to spite my face. I have to eat. I have to pay for my housing. I have people that depend on me. I can't do those things effectively if I spend all of my hard earned money supporting unions and overbearing government regulations.

Sure you could impose higher tarriffs on imported products. It's been done. Harley sniveled loud and hard to the Feds when the Japanese started importing cruiser motorcycles to the states. Three things happened. The cost of the import bikes went up. The Japanese companies started assembly of the bikes on domestic soil, (which added employment to local communities, but profits still went overseas). And the Harley was still an inferior product from a quality standpoint. Oh, and number four, the big cruiser bikes got farther away from the average joe budget.

I'm curious, if the Chinese produce nothing but garbage, why are we so concerned about their military?
 
Wild guess where Federal Mogul, TRW parts are made? Tried finding any US made Timkens, non China Bower/BCA's lately? US made replacement brake rotors of any brand?

Had 9 kinds of hell finding US made bearings/rotors for my '90 Dakota. I get tired of low quality crap turning my simple projects into a three week hunt for good parts. Takes all the fun out of it.
 
redlined said:
Wild guess where Federal Mogul, TRW parts are made? Tried finding any US made Timkens, non China Bower/BCA's lately? US made replacement brake rotors of any brand?

Had 9 kinds of hell finding US made bearings/rotors for my '90 Dakota. I get tired of low quality crap turning my simple projects into a three week hunt for good parts. Takes all the fun out of it.
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I get into a lot of Dealership service departments. Lot's of rear ends apart for bearings (especially pick ups and more Fords than GM or Mopar) Too bad the EPA took all the steel mills out of Pennsylvania. Tough steel doesn't come from Japan or Taiwan.
 
demon34071 said:
slantsixdan, what would you care about about bad air in LA or Denver, or how the EPA and unions hurt our companies, when you don't even live in the USA?? Last I saw aren't you from Canada? Now we have Canadian's chiming in on how to run the USA too. . . . back to watching football FABO is making my head hurt.
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Actually, I have been a US citizen since the day I was born and a Canadian citizen since 2008. I spend time in both countries, drive A-bodies in both countries, vote in both countries, and file taxes in both countries. None of which is any of your business, and none of which has anything to do with the content of what I said, which is what is important in this thread -- as I'm sure you, being a reasonable and thoughtful individual, agree. Right? :roll:
 
toolmanmike said:
Tough steel doesn't come from Japan or Taiwan.
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You appear to be not very well informed. Here's an interesting bit of information for you: Remember Lee Iacocca, CEO of Chrysler? He was a fierce, loud Japan-basher. He wanted stiff tariffs on imports of Japanese vehicles and parts. But he bought a lot of anti-rust steel from Japan Steel and he made it into minivans and Spirits and Acclaims and LeBarons and such. He did it because no American steel company could provide a rust-resistant steel as good as that from Japan Steel, and later because no American steel company could provide a good rust-resistant steel at a reasonable price. And that is why, in salt country, you still see a whackload of 1st and 2nd generation Chrysler minivans still in good shape, still in daily service, when almost every last Aerostar and Astro/Safari of the same age long ago rusted into a little pile of red dust. It's why, in salt country, you see thirty Spirit/Acclaim/Lebaron cars on the road, mostly intact, for every one rusted-to-hell Tempo/Topaz or Cadavalier of the same age. It's why you never see a Chevrolet Celebrity any more, but you still see K-cars: because despite Iacocca's loud Japan-bashing, he bought the best product available for the money, which is the real American way. (That makes him something of a hypocrite, of course, but that's a different discussion.)

As for Taiwan, plenty of good steel comes from there, too.
 
Revhendo said:
I shouldn't, I shouldn't, I shouldn't, but here we go...
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Yeah, why do we do it? It's like sticking a hand down a running garbage disposal.

It doesn't matter if Dan is from Canada or Bangledesh (?). We only have one world to live in.
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RIGHT. Which is why it's such a sham for us to be pretending to have stopped pollution and worker exploitation and such when all we've done is outsourced it.

As far as overseas production goes, most of this stuff is made to the U.S. based corporations designs and specs. Quality control is still the responsibility of the company outsourcing the part.
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Eeyeahhhh...I agree with you in principle, but in practice this doesn't end the conversation. I have worked as a product development manager, and while it is possible to get good quality out of places like China and India, it is not yet possible without constant and very vigilant, intensive Western babysitting. Without it, specs get ignored and you get shipments of (product)-shaped toys. Only a tiny fraction of the companies in those countries making whatever kind of widget you want made are even slightly capable of following a spec consistently, and even those companies will often say "Yes, yes, no problem" to absolutely anything asked of them, even if it is a physical impossibility. Not an exaggeration, that; one of my standard winnowing-out practices when I had to source something from India or China was to send candidate companies a physically impossible specification. Most companies said "Yes, yes, no problem, we can make for you, hundred percent quality, no problem." Only those few companies who said "We have some concerns about your specification" made it into my candidate pool. So that's number one. Number two, much of what Western companies do in the way of "quality control" is a pathetic joke of one kind or another. That's another (long) post for another time.

Harley sniveled loud and hard to the Feds when the Japanese started importing cruiser motorcycles to the states.
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Yeah, the same Harley-Davidson who like to thump their AMERICAN!!!!!! chest...except they buy headlights from a Japanese company and taillights from a Korean company and virtually all their lifestyle accessories (boots, clothing, ash trays, etc.) are Chinese. Buncha damn hypocrites (I had a first-row seat for this hypocrisy not long ago; the company I worked for was a big HD supplier.)

I'm curious, if the Chinese produce nothing but garbage, why are we so concerned about their military?
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Look at their population versus ours. In a war of attrition, we lose. Also, they don't need to use their military on us. We are actively helping them destroy us via much more devastating means: their ownership of the American economy.
 
IMO the US has the capability of making a superior product, we have done it for years on end. I think a combination of some (not all) companies doing bad stuff like dumping crap in a lake that supplies drinking water or something to that tune to Government agencies over-reaching (heavy taxes) and putting next to impossible restrictions on companies trying to turn out a product that the masses want to the Unions (I hate Unions!) grinding companies down to the very last penny. Some, all, or a combination of these hurdles may force a company to make a conscious decision, move to where the rules aren't as restrictive or go out of business. Let me give you an example of a Union punch that I know of and deal with regularly. We do chingo's of work for a very large shipping company (think Brown...). Check this scam/hustle, delivery truck breaks down and the company calls me to go and pick it up and bring it back to them so they can put the packages on a different truck and keep rolling. The repair sometimes are minor and will stay in house, sometimes major and we pick it up again and take it to a dealer or specialty shop because its above their shops level of expertise to repair. Guess what, the mechanic whines to the Union that "they" are taking work away from him (even though he can't repair it) and the company has to pay the mechanic for what he would have made if he would have made fixing it EVEN THOUGH HE CAN'T FIX IT!!! So they gotta pay us to tow it twice, pay the dealer for the repair of the unit and pay the Mechanic for doing absolutely NOTHING!!! What a friggin' sham! Now I know this ain't manufacturing but imagine how much extra cost is placed on the company nationally paying out this monies? What do you think that does to your/my shipping costs? I know some folks here are Union folks but I stick to my guns, the problem normally isn't the worker, its the folks half way up the ladder and higher but that's another story....
 
demon34071 said:
You left out
(3) Greedy Unions mandating 4 times as much pay, benefits, & pension....

Lets face it the working class is just as much to blame as the greedy corporations, since the greedy unions are just as bad as the folks at the top running the companies.

Get rid of the EPA's power to shut business down or fine and get rid of unions and add a 25% tariff to China/India made goods and you will see flourish in less than 3 years!!! and that is a fact, regardless if you want to believe it or not.
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I purposely left-out my ( shared ) feelings regarding unions , as the mere mention of banishing them is akin to mentioning something like "communism" and "good" in the same text : it'll piss a lot of people off .

Since a few of you have mentioned the 'elephant-in-the-room' , I'll divulge ...

Unions make good , hard-working folks into lazy asses ; they also aid lazy asses to continue their lazy *** mindset ; they also 'black list' those whom want to actually work if they don't go along with the unions' bullshit .

My dad worked places that were union , back in the 60's - 80's . There were strikes ; there was lots of haranguing going on by union stewards ; then the hypocrites went on to become management for the very organisation they were against but a few weeks ( ad seq. ) prior !!!!

I work with a retired school district union s.e.i.u. sloth . That lazy bastard won't do anything other than deliver parts . He refuses to put stock away ; he's slower than **** when he's making deliveries ; he constantly calls-in "sick" ( or whatever ) ; and he cried to H.R. that he's the only one whom 'works' on Sundays ... and he's low on the totem pole :thebirdm::thebirdm::thebirdm::thebirdm::thebirdm: .
Naturally , being a "corporate store" , the H.R. dick caved-in to union boy's cries , and told the store's manager to alternate those ( fuc*ing ) Sundays between everyone .:bootysha::bootysha::bootysha::bootysha: .
This bag-of-dicks should have received his 3 write-ups and been canned long ago :angry7: .

In closing :
Here are the reasons why there's been a gradual influx of foreign-made crap , that was once made in the U.S. :
- Unions . Archaic notion . Get...RID...of ...them !
- Environmentalists . Go Green : kill yourself if the world's that horrible to you . What's the point of all this "save the world" horseshit if no one's able to survive ?????
- American-in-name companies . They're chock'full of young , college-grad douche bags ; numbers-only guys who'd step on anyone's dick in order to secure their 5 year tenure at company "x" , only to move-on to the next organisation that they have ZERO idea of how it operates !!!

FU*K THEM ALL !
I hope that this whole "2012" catastrophic end comes . I'm sick of working for welfare leeches , liberal assholes and people with a union sensibility at a NON-union job !!!
 
slantsixdan said:
You appear to be not very well informed. Here's an interesting bit of information for you: Remember Lee Iacocca, CEO of Chrysler? He was a fierce, loud Japan-basher. He wanted stiff tariffs on imports of Japanese vehicles and parts. But he bought a lot of anti-rust steel from Japan Steel and he made it into minivans and Spirits and Acclaims and LeBarons and such. He did it because no American steel company could provide a rust-resistant steel as good as that from Japan Steel, and later because no American steel company could provide a good rust-resistant steel at a reasonable price. And that is why, in salt country, you still see a whackload of 1st and 2nd generation Chrysler minivans still in good shape, still in daily service, when almost every last Aerostar and Astro/Safari of the same age long ago rusted into a little pile of red dust. It's why, in salt country, you see thirty Spirit/Acclaim/Lebaron cars on the road, mostly intact, for every one rusted-to-hell Tempo/Topaz or Cadavalier of the same age. It's why you never see a Chevrolet Celebrity any more, but you still see K-cars: because despite Iacocca's loud Japan-bashing, he bought the best product available for the money, which is the real American way. (That makes him something of a hypocrite, of course, but that's a different discussion.)

As for Taiwan, plenty of good steel comes from there, too.
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Very interesting read Dan. I didn't know that. Apparently Asia can make sheet metal but not chromium steel for bearings. Rear end bearings used to last for ever but may be it's the synthetic lubricants that the manufacturers use now days. (that's another discussion) toolman
 
If you are old enough to remember the 50's/60's Japan made nothing but crap. Cheap toys etc. (they always made a good sewing machine-a copy of the Singer 15) They learned to make it better and better and now the GOOD stuff comes from Japan. In the 70's Taiwan made the cheap crap. Now they have some good stuff to sell. It is a cycle and we are not the only ones caught in it. Electronic cameras come from Japan with Carl Ziess lenses (they use to be one of the best camera makers-from Germany).
 
ebay has 3 NOS units. some do look different in construction..
around $65 + shipping
 
slant6/4speed said:
If you are old enough to remember the 50's/60's Japan made nothing but crap. Cheap toys etc. (they always made a good sewing machine-a copy of the Singer 15) They learned to make it better and better and now the GOOD stuff comes from Japan. In the 70's Taiwan made the cheap crap. Now they have some good stuff to sell. It is a cycle and we are not the only ones caught in it. Electronic cameras come from Japan with Carl Ziess lenses (they use to be one of the best camera makers-from Germany).
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I was in the bicycle business back in the early 80's-2005 and watched the japanese come in with junk but quickly take over the market. They were the inovators while we sat idle. There were a few american companies but they were for the rich folk.

I have worked for manufacturing companies here in the USA that produced crap! And I don't want to get into whenever insurance(especially va $$) was involved. Prices on the products were triple to 5X more then to the average Joe. These were custom/sport wheelchairs costing thousands.
 
slant6/4speed said:
If you are old enough to remember the 50's/60's Japan made nothing but crap. Cheap toys etc. (they always made a good sewing machine-a copy of the Singer 15) They learned to make it better and better and now the GOOD stuff comes from Japan. In the 70's Taiwan made the cheap crap. Now they have some good stuff to sell.
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That is true. It is interesting to see the large difference between Taiwanese stuff (much of which is now very good and all of which is getting better) and Chinese stuff (much of which is still utter garbage). What a difference a little freedom makes, eh! The Japanese (and the Koreans and Taiwanese after them) started out building trash because that was all they were equipped to build, and that is all the world wanted to buy from them. Culturally, both the Japanese and the Koreans have a history of valuing quality and durability. The Japanese got a big boost on that front after WWII, when American know-how (which was very good at the time) was poured in large quantity into Japan.

The Chinese, on the other hand, for many decades actively scorned such basic concepts as engineering and specialization, which they considered decadent and quaint Western affectations. Mao had a deep-seated loathing for engineers and other intellectuals, and so did everything he could to minimise their contribution to Chinese society. In the so-called Great Leap Forward, intellectuals were rounded up and shot, and Mao (who didn't know a thing about metallurgy) ordered farmers to quit farming and instead build small coal smelters on their land, melt down their farming implements and turn them into raw steel. He thought this would act as a springboard for China to have a sudden industrial revolution. What actually happened was a sudden lack of food because nobody was farming, a sudden lack of farm implements because they'd all been melted down, and a sudden glut of utterly useless metal goo that couldn't even remotely be called steel. Vast numbers of people starved to death. Think I'm exaggerating? Nope! I recently read a 1970 booklet from China entitled "China Tames Her Rivers". It is full of eye-poppingly extreme Communist propaganda, but every word of it was meant seriously, including these: "There were early attempts by traitors to hoodwink the people with such decadent Western notions as 'put technique first' and 'place specialists in charge of engineering'. These traitors were swiftly dealt with."

So, culturally, China not only has no history of valuing quality as we know it, but they actually have a strong history of violently devaluing it. They will emerge from this, but it's going to take awhile. Unfortunately, Western MBAs don't want to wait until China figures out how to participate in the 21st century, and many of us are shortsighted enough to aggravate the problem by shopping at Wal-Mart.
 
stroked 340 said:
Edelbrock valvecovers are made in China??...no wonder i don't like/use them...their heads and intakes are made right here in the U.S.A.:-D:-D
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Edelbrock stuff has been slowlw being outsourced for years. Vic just sold the entire company to some German investment group. Goodbye Edelbrock.
 
My Dodger Ram had warped brake rotors with less than 45k miles. Other guys on a Dodge forum was having troubles with warped rotors also. So everyone agreed that the rotors Dodge was using just wasn't up to par. Where they was made no one knows. I went to NAPA and bought new set. Now I told the clerk that I wanted USA made rotors and the clerk told me this. "You'd be better off to get the China made ones.... the USA made ones have been known to warp easy!" No kidding! I bought the China ones and have put a bunch of miles on them with no trouble what so ever. It's a crying shame when you can get better parts out of a foreign country.
 
In most cases, the start up's in China buy brand new state of the art equipment, while many of the U.S. company's making the same product are still holding on to there 20, 30, 50yo equipment because they are only worried about the next quarter profits.
 
Good point. Similarly all the savings companies and private sectors get from using illegal / imported laborers with no legitimate ssn, or cash under the table paid workers. All those bullshi$ benefits / savings reaped from employing and tolerating illegitimate employees and laborers would come to a grinding halt if everyone in our country was to comply. Cause they wouldn't freaking save money anymore.



slantsixdan said:
Hey, yeah, great idea, then we can go right back to dumping mercury and lead in the air, land, and water. It'll be just like the good ol' days when you couldn't see a hundred feet in any direction on any day after 12 noon in Los Angeles or Denver, and when rivers caught on actual, real fire because of all the crap we dumped in them.

No, what we need is to go the other direction: stop pretending we've ended child labor and slavery and unsafe working conditions and pollution when all we've done is hidden them away out of sight in China. Global trade? Sure, no problem. It's just that whatever you want to import has to have been manufactured in accord with safety and environmental standards at least as strict as our domestic ones. If not, they can't be imported. Want to send your stuff to us, China? Fine, then clean up your filthy toilet of a country and stop using 7-year-old political dissidents as factory workers. Watch how fast it stops being cheaper to have stuff made offshore.
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Well I finally voted in the poll. And I will admit I vote: No, I like my carter fuel pump made in Korea ---

And be fore everyone blasts me for not supporting USA made items, let me explain as to why I vote NO..... PLAIN AND SIMPLE BECAUSE OF COST.

If I could get a USA made carter fuel pump at the same price as one made in Korea then I would buy the USA made one, PROBLEM is, WE CAN NOT.

We all have our favorite brands and all of us in the hobby will go to great ends to defend that particular brand's quality, fit, easy of service etc, and in the end also their price.

Case in Point:::: Everyone on this site and many others loves the quality and fit of AMD Sheet Metal parts. MYSELF INCLUDED, many of their parts are on my Demon and I just ordered a new batch of them. But does it make you think twice to know 100% of their parts are stamped in Taiwan, using a variety of countries steel (not USA steel) based on the current market for steel. I highly doubt it.

Why Not - Because they are providing a quality part at a price the market will bare.

If your carter fuel pump was made 100% in USA and ended up costing twice or three times as much no one would buy them.

Current USA problem is that we're in a cycle that can not support itself: That cycle is as follows: Public wants low cost on everything and Public wants it now all at the same time the Public work force wants to be highly paid for all jobs. . . .

With all products you can chose : GOOD - FAST - CHEAP -- problem is you can only have (2) of these at one time. The USA wants FAST & CHEAP - - Hence Y every fast food restaurant now has a dollar menu, grocery stores give away free gasoline, Walmart is king, and people on unemployment would rather not work (and then *****) instead of taking (2) part time jobs. Its just a viscous cycle that will continue till our government, labor force, and company owners can figure out a way to make it cheaper to keep work here in the USA -- That means a 25% tariff on China, and other foreign countries, labor force needs to be realistic about the $$ value of their jobs, and companies need to use high profits to reinvest in the future of manufacturing in the USA.

Since that realistically will not happen due to the great divide in the country (if you don't believe there is one just read some posts on FABO and you can see first hand) I like the rest of us will continue to turn our Detroit USA made muscle car classics into IMPORTS with parts made in other countries at a price we can afford to save our precious cars.
 
I love my korean carter pumps and chinese scat/eagle cranks/rods and my mexican keith black pistons, those KB's now weigh more due to sloppy casting, but they me cost less and I do have a grinder...lol

Thank our government.
 
What IS made in America is my question???

Even a Harley Davidson got Japanese parts on it somewhere!
 
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