The A-Body With A Job

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YoungBlood

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What if someone was more concerned about comfort and reliability in a muscle car and less about a magic number to achieve on a dyno? What if when you slipped behind the wheel of a car you weren’t just in love, but you felt like the vehicle was tailored to you like a fine suit? What if the motor couldn’t die and you could carelessly keep driving as long and as far as you wanted? If your *** didn’t get tired, or you didn’t have to take a squirt, would you ever stop?

There’s nothing wrong with low-geared, nasty, street/strip cars or smooth, ground-scraping G-Machines. For a long time I thought I needed one of the two mentioned styles, but I realized that’s not what I wanted. I want what I once had… A Driver.

When I bought my Duster I knew nothing. I didn’t care about gear ratios, or low-end killing over-sized carbeuration, or the right viscosity of oil even… I just drove. To the beach, to Southern Oregon, to the Canadian Border to party--it didn’t matter. I would check the oil, tires, fill with 92 and push the pedal. With the exception of some slotted mags, dual glasspacks, and a 4 barrel, the car was amazingly original from top to bottom with a stock 200,000+ mile 318. Like I said, I would go and just keep going. “The machine that wouldn’t quit”.

I am far from retirement, but recently I spoke with my Rep at my Investment Firm about the subject and he asked: “What do you plan to do for retirement?”, and without thinking twice I blurted “Drive my Plymouth around the Country,” he said, “Great, but I meant income-wise.” It made me think that driving my car might be my favorite thing to do. It has sat for two years getting pipe-dreamed to a rusty oblivion. Driving my car makes me happy, and what a hole not driving it has left. I’ve spent the last two days seriously budgeting its return to the road.

I might just be coming up with an excuse to build a Duster Daily Driver, but this is the car I want: something turn-key that can be driven 300 miles at any given spur-of-the-moment impulse, a car that can cruise at 75mph at 2500rpms getting 18mpg, and most importantly a car to get me to work. Highways, Freeways, and long sweeping country roads are your in-between A’s and B’s in this part of the world. There is very little ‘around town’ driving or ‘stop-and-go‘…

This model car was a daily driver in the mid 70’s. A slant 6 car was considered ‘economy’ and hundreds of thousands of people considered the 318 a gas-saver in its own right as well. When Datsun’s and Toyota’s hit the scene popularity-wise in 1978 gas was $0.63 a gallon, which is equivalent to $2.10 today by inflation. Gas was $3.20 a gallon yesterday, so yes, choosing this option for a commuter would be equivalent to a Suburban, but millions of people manage to do that everyday, regardless of breaking the bank. Corvette’s aren’t the best on gas and plenty of people love driving them… a lot.

Something Important: Half my family is 5 hours away across the Idaho border; they’re my favorite people (one member is my mentor & hero) so every month I was shooting over Snoqualmie Pass and across I-90 after work on Friday’s at 5pm in the daily. I would get in at 10pm and leave Sunday morning after spending only a Saturday with them. I didn’t mind doing so, but that drive feels like I’m in the car more than I’m visiting… So why not build a car to enjoy the ride? It would be awesome to take 101 Pacific Coast Highway road-trip style to my dad’s in SoCal once or twice as well.

A balanced engine is key in my eyes. I threw around the idea of a 408 but my gut told me ’No’; not reliable enough for my comfort (several times I came close to clicking the ‘Add To Cart‘ button under the Eagle 4“ Crank though). I have been sitting on a 360 for years but it might already be .030 over. Either way, I still didn’t feel right about that option either. Still, not ‘balanced’ enough for the task at hand.

To me, the obvious choice was the 318. Pure balance. A (.030”) 3.94” Bore by 3.31” Stroke with mid-8 compression and 2.76’s for legs--perfect for long, screaming summer stretches of I-90 where the average vehicle speed is 80mph. My ex-girlfriend got a very generous ticket by a very nice Trooper for 79mph when she was clocked at 93 on one of 90‘s many long, flat freedom-paths. It’s far from responsible, but that’s truthfully how fast some people choose to drive this route.

Also, I’m not talking rack and pinion steering and four link either, we’re talking purely Moog Chassis Parts, performance handling torsion bars, and extra heavy duty leaf springs with some gas shock motherf***in’ action my friends! Just how Papa likes it! A good stereo is needed. Now finally I can fill those mangled rocker panels some bozo started to hack for what I hope was originally intended to be speaker holes. Ground clearance is a must; I can’t be slowed down be it speed bumps, cinder blocks, sea turtles, what-have-you..

Comfort: I bought the Duster with it’s completely-thrashed bench seat. Awhile later I picked up a 92’ Eagle Talon (same car as the Mitsubishi Eclipse) for $750 and man’o’man! I was in love with it the moment my cheeks hit the seat! Hands down, the most comfortable car I had ever driven for one reason, the bucket seats. They were clearly designed for my six-one frame, from head to thigh, like a cockpit. For 3 weeks I had forgotten I owned the Duster I was driving the Talon so much. After only a month of ownership the Talon threw a rod and the Wrecker was on it’s way for her, but it wasn’t taking the seats. The same day those buckets were mounted in the Duster and special care was taken so they would be perfectly placed for my leg length and comfort. As simple as it sounds, this car is set up for me and damn if it isn’t nice to ride in! It’s amazing how much of a difference such a small change can make.

Reliability: I pulled out all the stops budgeting the engine internals, electrical, and cooling. I purposely avoided unnecessary (and costly) dress up kits. Chrome don’t get ya home. $1700 to Hughes, $330 to Mancini, $350 to Summit & a little to AutoZone (for consumables) combined with $1200 in machine work should get me a worthwhile $3,700 into a modest 270hp engine that would make a crate motor’s reliability look like your wussy fetal-alcohol stepbrother trying to Quarterback the Superbowl.

That’s not all. It will virtually have new running gear and completely new suspension, along with some creature comforts and fun factors (like new carpet and my buckets upholstered to match factory ones, along with a new stereo, rear disc brake conversion, sure grip, etc) which all totaled around $9,175, engine included. I decided not to tackle this until I have just about everything piled and I’m only half way there with my savings account, so I’ll have to buy in sections (front suspension, then rear suspension, then transmission rebuild…) until it’s all there, which I gather should take another year. The time will go quickly if I can apply discipline and patience. In the meantime I will be asking lots of questions.

I spent years over-thinking what to do with my car, trying to stay ahead of certain trends and styles, considering literally hundreds of different combinations of drivetrains and wheels frantically not feeling different enough. How ridiculous. Then I simply quit thinking about it, and it came together.

I guess what’s different about this build is that it’s like that Pearl Jam lyric: “I change by not changing at all”. Most people throw in a Crate Motor, Junkyard Jewel, or Stroker without thinking twice and typically those who restore their numbers matching cars barely drive them for fear of something god-awful happening. I’m going to drive the wheels off a numbers matching car and I don’t give a damn. She ran good with this engine before with years of reliability.

I would be stupid to screw up something so right.

Here’s to doing something different. Driving. Far. And doing it with optimum efficiency. That's the car's job.

The black car is mine. The red car is my inspiration. I found out it belongs to a FABO member and I have a PM into him with some questions. I will do black with white stripes instead, but the wheel/tire combo and stance is exactly what I want.

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Thanks guys. Not sure if it helps mentally, but breaking it into sections (shortblock, then heads, then external stuff) to tackle, then breaking down that cost (pistons, bearings, etc) gives you the perspective to get the ball rolling.
 
Last night night I got to thinking, the $3700 'number' for a 318 started to bother me, despite how reliable, strong, and snappy a motor I could get for that money.

So for kicks I labeled that parts/machine work list "No Expense Spared" Engine components, then started an entirely new list named "Economy" Engine components list which would contain parts that weren't necessarily the cheapest, but affordable and quality enough for my comfort level that I could live with...

And Holy S*** was I surprised! The "Economy" engine came to $2250!

So it got me thinking, what parts from the economy list could I swap into the no expense spared list that I felt okay with? So I did, and it turned out to be not a whole lot.

This new list, the "Compromise Engine" list total came to $3200. Not bad. $500 is a good amount of savings, but it wasn't the results I was looking for.

So I realized what I had to do next: since I had each brand, part number and price for each individual item, I started googling each one, one by one, shopping every part against it's competitor.

It didn't matter if the savings was $10 or $50, I documented it all with severe predjudice! (I did leave a $5 margin though; if something was less/more than $5 difference, I was willing to spend the few dollars more with the competitor I was more loyal with).

I also called the local machine shop this morning for a more detailed quote. It turns out they came in $150 cheaper than originally assumed for block and head work. Bonus.

All in all with the Compromise Engine list, a little more foot work and research went a long way. With some $20-$30 savings on the same individual high quality parts I finally got the results I was happier with... The $2900 hauler!

I'm still torn between 3 cams right now, so that total could fluctuate $100 or so, but I like where this is headed.
 
just find a decent 318 and do a rebuild on it and add another 2000$ to the car build, 318's are idiot proof,I reem the snot out of mine on a daily basis but,there are plenty of ways to go to upgrade it,318's are fun engines
 
Last night night I got to thinking, the $3700 'number' for a 318 started to bother me, despite how reliable, strong, and snappy a motor I could get for that money.

So for kicks I labeled that parts/machine work list "No Expense Spared" Engine components, then started an entirely new list named "Economy" Engine components list which would contain parts that weren't necessarily the cheapest, but affordable and quality enough for my comfort level that I could live with...

And Holy S*** was I surprised! The "Economy" engine came to $2250!

So it got me thinking, what parts from the economy list could I swap into the no expense spared list that I felt okay with? So I did, and it turned out to be not a whole lot.

This new list, the "Compromise Engine" list total came to $3200. Not bad. $500 is a good amount of savings, but it wasn't the results I was looking for.

So I realized what I had to do next: since I had each brand, part number and price for each individual item, I started googling each one, one by one, shopping every part against it's competitor.

It didn't matter if the savings was $10 or $50, I documented it all with severe predjudice! (I did leave a $5 margin though; if something was less/more than $5 difference, I was willing to spend the few dollars more with the competitor I was more loyal with).

I also called the local machine shop this morning for a more detailed quote. It turns out they came in $150 cheaper than originally assumed for block and head work. Bonus.

All in all with the Compromise Engine list, a little more foot work and research went a long way. With some $20-$30 savings on the same individual high quality parts I finally got the results I was happier with... The $2900 hauler!

I'm still torn between 3 cams right now, so that total could fluctuate $100 or so, but I like where this is headed.

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Thanks Old Tired Rebel.

just find a decent 318 and do a rebuild on it and add another 2000$ to the car build, 318's are idiot proof,I reem the snot out of mine on a daily basis but,there are plenty of ways to go to upgrade it,318's are fun engines

Waggin, I totally agree that a stock-built 318 can take almost anything you can throw at it, but there's certain things that I feel are necessary for another 200,000 mile motor; Even if I went with cheap rebuild parts I couldn't keep it under $1200 with what I have in mind.

One of those things is a well thought-out oiling system. I have put as much reading & thought into that alone as the whole car combined (not really, but you know what I mean...)

For instance, Full Groove Main and Rod Bearings. Although not necessary, any engine running at 70mph for two hours will benefit greatly from them, but to do so go ahead and double what you planned to spend on bearings my friend.

Also, an Intermediate Shaft with a hardened tip is a good investment and a no-brainer for my build. Again, double what you would normally plan to pay for an Intermediate shaft

It's a new motor so new oil pump and pick-up tube are a better idea than not. But what about a valley pan? I want to keep the oil low and off where my cool atomized fuel is, so yes there.

Windage Trays are the secret to a happy, long-life, reliable motor. They're worth $60-$100. Some people go by what their dad says, 'they're only worth 5hp, f*** em'. They add a lot more power than that and do so much, much more...

I've also looked into drilled out journals in the crank and cam, but even I think that might be overkill haha. That would cost extra to have professionally done.

Aside from oiling, alot of driving can throw an engine out of whack, am I going to just go ahead and get a Timing Chain Tensioner? Hell yes. Boom, quadruple your cost for just a cam thrust plate instantly. Is it worth it? In my eyes of course.

It just makes sense to get Keith Black pistons. I know there are $125 sets of pistons out there, but I don't see the logic. I believe in good push rods too when doing a rebuild. Freshen up the heads? Why thank you I will please!

If it were a chevy I wouldn't care as much. But since this motor has a purpose to serve, I had best cover my bases...

And only do it once.
 
what is the color code for that Red?

Plik, I'm not sure but I'm completely obsessed with that car. If I didn't love black as much as I do, I would seriously consider that color. Here is the owner, if it helps:

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/member.php?u=12869

The 318 was never considered a performance engine with cool call-out's like the 340. But I found these Aussie decals I might do on the valve covers to add a little something:

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I like your thinking.

Windage tray = 15 HP on the big end.
Valley pan keeps things cooler, bonus HP.
Timing chain tensioner keeps things in line and snugged up nice. Small cost, nice bennifit.

Speaking of reliablity, exhaust manifolds right?
FWIW, Comp Cams has a line of cams designed to work with exhaust maifolds. Otherwise a nice split duration cam is what you should be looking at.
Know your cruise RPm and have a cam selected to operate in that RPM. Cruise at peak torque for best mileage and throttle response on the road.

Leave the crank be, stock is fine, full groove bearings a nice plus.
 
I really like the motivation and focus of this thread. It's insirational as well as realistic. Keep it flowin' YoungBlood. Subscribed.
 
I like your thinking.

Windage tray = 15 HP on the big end.
Valley pan keeps things cooler, bonus HP.
Timing chain tensioner keeps things in line and snugged up nice. Small cost, nice bennifit.

Speaking of reliablity, exhaust manifolds right?
FWIW, Comp Cams has a line of cams designed to work with exhaust maifolds. Otherwise a nice split duration cam is what you should be looking at.
Know your cruise RPm and have a cam selected to operate in that RPM. Cruise at peak torque for best mileage and throttle response on the road.

Leave the crank be, stock is fine, full groove bearings a nice plus.

:smile: Exhaust Manifolds. To be backed up by X-Pipe, 40 Series Flows - all in 2 1/4" tube all the way back.

Here are the three cams in mind, listed in order of current preference:

CAMSHAFT/LIFTERS:

1)MOPAR PURPLE: $321.85
-Mancini MP Purple Muscle Car 267/276 Dur. - 429/444 Lift Item#MOPP4452783 $193.95
-Mancini MP Hydraulic Item#MOPP3614321 $127.90
OR
2)COMP CAM: $199.95
-Mancini Comp Cam & Lifter Set xe262h Item#COMCL20-222-3 $199.95
OR
3) HUGHES WHIPLASH: $311.00
-Hughes Whiplash Item HUGHMC1326AL-9 $215.00
-Hughes Hydraulic Lifter Item#5001 $5.95 (x16) $96.00

I didn't know there were exhaust manifold specific comp cams.

The mopar-specific comp cams looked more slated to strip/bracket specs with preferred gears of 3.55+ and 2500+ stalls.

RumbleFish, what do you think of my cam choices listed?

I am leaning towards that MP Purple Stick for my needs (medium duration, mild lift, 110 LSA)...
 
:smile: Exhaust Manifolds. To be backed up by X-Pipe, 40 Series Flows - all in 2 1/4" tube all the way back.

Here are the three cams in mind, listed in order of current preference:

CAMSHAFT/LIFTERS:

1)MOPAR PURPLE: $321.85
-Mancini MP Purple Muscle Car 267/276 Dur. - 429/444 Lift Item#MOPP4452783 $193.95
-Mancini MP Hydraulic Item#MOPP3614321 $127.90
OR
2)COMP CAM: $199.95
-Mancini Comp Cam & Lifter Set xe262h Item#COMCL20-222-3 $199.95
OR
3) HUGHES WHIPLASH: $311.00
-Hughes Whiplash Item HUGHMC1326AL-9 $215.00
-Hughes Hydraulic Lifter Item#5001 $5.95 (x16) $96.00

I didn't know there were exhaust manifold specific comp cams.

The mopar-specific comp cams looked more slated to strip/bracket specs with preferred gears of 3.55+ and 2500+ stalls.

RumbleFish, what do you think of my cam choices listed?

I am leaning towards that MP Purple Stick for my needs (medium duration, mild lift, 110 LSA)...

I have some fake masters on my Chrysler and they flow a lot better than flow masters. I plan on going to go to hush thrush mufflers so I can hear the radio now and then.
 
I really like the motivation and focus of this thread. It's insirational as well as realistic. Keep it flowin' YoungBlood. Subscribed.

Thanks Martin. It feels good to nail all this down finally and know each step of what I got to do. I got real tired of numbers and such swirling in my head. It also helps keep me on track.

For instance, if I already had something or just bought it and it's in the list, I would highlight it in red.

The more items in red, the less are in black, the closer to driving!
 
This could be a new trend. Building a car for comfort,durability and traveling.
 
So when is the target date of the build?

To be honest, I likely can't start for at least six monthes.

On May 20th, 2010 I was shot four times by an Iraq-Veteran who was my roommate, trusted best friend of nearly a decade, and 'supposed' Brother.

Back in August 2009, this Sargeant returned from his fourth tour in Iraq without a home. I offered him a room as I, and my family, dearly cared for him. He so much as referred to my mother and sister as 'Mom' and 'Sis'. We all prayed for his safety overseas daily while serving, as anyone would in our situation. He was a troubled young man with a less-than desirable family life. As teenagers, we were his family that he could actually enjoy himself with and not be abused physically and emotionally. The United States Army was his ticket away from his family at 17 years old, whether or not he was the right person to be a Soldier.

That night seven months ago, I fell victim to an alcohol-fueled, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder-related Mental Breakdown. In fear I locked him out of the home. He went to his vehicle to retrieve a pistol, then returned and shot the door handle off before kicking the door in. He used a .40 handgun equipped with hydro-shock rounds to gun me down in my home. In fear I was chased through my home and outside with bullets tearing into me.

Needless to say, I was left for dead on my back patio in 38 degree weather to die. For seven hours I screamed for help with half of a jaw. I had nearly bled out when my neighbor barely heard my desperation an acre away and came to my rescue around 6am, saving my life. It’s hard to admit this, but thankfully for me it was a particularly cold May night, slowing my heart rate and restricting my blood flow.

The Assailant fled my scene, crashed into two young ladies in the next County over, fled that scene, then was found and arrested for Drunk Driving, making no mention of the dying young man on the patio. It is difficult for me to consider forgiveness, and I hope those that read this understand.

As mentioned, he managed to shoot me four times. This was out of seven attempted shots. I was shot in the forearm: a defensive wound stopping a headshot; the upper chest: an intended heart shot; also the face: most of my left mandible was destroyed along with six teeth, and a shot to the back of the neck: an execution-style kill shot, aiming for the back of my head, thus shattering my C4 vertebrae in half and causing a severe spinal cord injury. Luckily, the Assailant had consumed a great deal of alcohol that evening and his expert military aim was compromised, missing the intended targets of my brain and heart.

The total injuries are too long to list. When he left me for dead I developed hypothermia in that time, which led to a staggering amount of further complications. My core temperature was 84 degrees when I was found.

Another injury to mention was the ruptured Spleen that hadn’t been discovered soon enough, resulting in my death. I can’t be more thankful to the doctors at Harborview Hospital for reviving me.

I spent 3.5 months in the hospital/rehab and my bill totaled $900,000. Between my excellent medical insurance, medicaid, and Victims of Violent Crimes my portion is $83.47 for the ambulance and helicopter ride.

I keep my head up everyday, despite being a 26 year-old quadrapelidgic. One month ago I stood and took my first step in 8 months, regardless that I used a walker, I am still proud of myself. The plastic surgery to my face was amazing. I can't feel my left foot, and the gunshot to my neck severed the nerve to my trapezoidal muscle. To those that don't know, that is the muscle that raises your arm. I pray to get use of my right arm back someday, in the meantime God grant me the strength to still wrench and weld.

My therapists, and family, think I'm nuts to be so focused on getting my Duster and hot rod finished (and build a house) when there is so much else to be concerned about, but truthfully I've never been so driven they are the motivation to work hard and be the old me again.

Here's my other project. A little less important than the Duster, but still cool. I did the chop and all fabrication.

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My hats off to you Bro! Anyone who can go through all of that and still want to do anything at all is just a Bad-***-Mo-Fo in my book. I have seen guys go through way less and just give up.

Keep it up...=D> :rambo:
 
Dang, that was hard to read. I don't really know what to say. You have my prayers. I'm not sure I could have fought so hard to stay alive.

To start at the top, I made that same drive (almost) from Seattle to the edge of Idaho every weekend one summer when I was working as an intern at Boeing. Except I was only driving to Spokane. I'm not far off the highway, let me know the next time you are headed this way.

I agree with your sentiment that the cars need to be driven. Can't drive a magazine spread or dyno sheet, so I'm not all that excited about them. I spend a fair amount of time reading and musing about cars and came to the conclusion that 300-350 hp seemed to be a good target for a street car. Any more and you really couldn't use it, so it was a waste of money to shoot for it. Seems that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to get that out of a small block, so I stopped chasing the most high tech parts. My motor is already fairly fresh, so I'm just trying to get it running (long story as to why it isn't).

In looking at all of the newer cars and such, the suspension was what I saw as the key to having a fun driver (provided that the seats aren't too uncomfortable :) ). So, I will be updating mine, but don't plan on anything other than upgraded stock stuff (other than brakes). dusterdb13 and dcg333's car's are some of my inspirations.

Keep up the fight, you've got a good start on a great car.
 
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