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Hi all, I have a buddy with a 1970 Swinger. He has had a Stroker built and almost ready to drop in. He bought a A-833 4 speed, rebuilt with Liberty gears etc. He is looking for a inline 4 speed box to get away from the H pattern. Can anybody help? Where can these be had? Better yet,Does anybody here have one for sale? Thanks in advance, Craig.
 
To bad Craig,I had a Verti-gate shifter for sale for 2 yrs($100).I just sold traded it for a sway bar for the back of the Dart Sport.Keep looking,one will pop up.Check out racingjunk.com.
 
A V gate will not necessarily improve shifting, the 4 speed has to be REALLY up to the task FIRST. If the syncro's, forks, and side cover components are worn, it wont' shift any better/ faster/ more dependibly with a V gate

Which begs the question, IF the 4 speed and IF the "H pattern" shifter is "up to it" then why do you feel the need to "get away" from the H pattern?

In other words a LOT of racers have impressed with the lowly H pattern. Add a reverse lockout, and away you go.

V gates are a PITA in my opinion, on the street.
 
67Dart273 said:
A V gate will not necessarily improve shifting, the 4 speed has to be REALLY up to the task FIRST. If the syncro's, forks, and side cover components are worn, it wont' shift any better/ faster/ more dependibly with a V gate

Which begs the question, IF the 4 speed and IF the "H pattern" shifter is "up to it" then why do you feel the need to "get away" from the H pattern?

In other words a LOT of racers have impressed with the lowly H pattern. Add a reverse lockout, and away you go.

V gates are a PITA in my opinion, on the street.
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This is for my Buddy's Dart.Trust me he is a little crazy,and the problem is with the H pattern he would be more likely to miss 3rd. 2nd to 3rd is the one that will be missed if any. If he is going to get serious with his Stroker he can't afford to miss shift!! lol.
 
I beg to differ with you but i have a mr.gasket vertical gate in my duster and it is not hard to drive in town as long as you keep it lubed up. Personally i would not have another h pattern shifter. This is my second one the first was in my original 340 duster in 1970.call me different but to me they are bad to the bone. If you can find one you will never go back.
 
DUSTERDOWNS said:
you will never go back.
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You have your opinion, I have mine. "Back then" I knew several friends --not all Mopar-- who got all hot 'n bothered and bought various V gates. It wasn't too long before most had yanked them back out
 
I had a Super Shifter on my Pro shifted/faceplated trans. I loved it.

You CAN miss shifts with an in line shifter.
 
The hurst Super Shifter line is about the best there IMO. I have had both. I prefer the H pattern. Especially the Super Shifter because of the really short shifter handle. It is almost impossible to miss the 2-3 shift with the Super Shifter. You would almost have to be intoxicated. All the H pattern shifters I have ever had were much smoother operating than the V Gate. The V Gate does require a larger hole in the floor. They do work fine as long as they are lubed and adjusted correctly. It simply comes down to personal preference.
 
DUSTERDOWNS said:
I beg to differ with you but i have a mr.gasket vertical gate in my duster and it is not hard to drive in town as long as you keep it lubed up. Personally i would not have another h pattern shifter. This is my second one the first was in my original 340 duster in 1970.call me different but to me they are bad to the bone. If you can find one you will never go back.
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I agree, the very first 4 speed I ever drove had a Mr Gasket V gate shifter in it and it was ALOT of fun!
As for which is faster, I'm from the old belief of the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.
I did feel they were a little awkward when downshifting, but the key was making sure the linkage was adjusted correctly and keeping it good and lubed up. If I ever get another 4 speed car it will probably have one.
The bad part is you have to cut a bigger hole in the floor.
The super shifters are very nice though.
 
2-3 is always the hardest if you powershift a H pattern shifter. 1-2 and 2-3 are a straight line anyway. Hurst used to make some quick shift arms that had the holes for the linkage a bit closer to the shift shafts. It would shorten up the throws. I don't believe they make those anymore. Dang! If you have an original type shifter especially with a console you will not have short throws or a tight pattern. The Hurst super shifter is a good non console with bucket seat replacement. The V-Gate is a fun shifter but as said before, things need to be tight and perfect or you'll have problems. toolman
 
Ditto on the Super Shifter, especially if you're driving on the street and down shifting.

I always would bias the 3-4 arm adjustment slightly forward of the 1-2 across the neutral gate. Not enough to screw up the neutral adjustment, but just enough you had to jiggle the handle a little at times to get it back across to the 1-2 gate after the bushings got a little worn. Of course, any slop in the linkage was less of a problem with the steel bushings than it was with the plastic ones, but even they would wear if you didn't pay attention to maintenence, and lube them up every now and then. Missing third on a power shift was a non issue.

Personally never ever really cared for the feel of the inlines. Probably far more important to your ability to shift fast and elliminating missed shifts than the type of linkage is making sure you've got it adjusted properly. Making sure the clutch linkage is not worn, doesn't bind, and the adjustment is spot on. And finally, that nothing is worn or broken inside the transmission.
 
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