burnt wire problem.ign switch.

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the large red wire [approx 12 gauge] qnd the large blue wire also approx 12 gauge were burnt and pulled from the connector at the ign switch connector...the former owner tied them to the right wire outside of the coinnector since it melted the sides...iv got a new connector but cant crimp new ends on cause the red and blue wire are pretty bad..id like to just run new wire [red abd blue]and reconnect them at each end..does anyone know where the red wire goes and where the blue wire goes...tx j
 
What year model and car are we talking about highflyer
This will help a tech help to jump in here and help :happy10:
 
the car is a 73 duster...its not the switch side that is bad..its the harness side..the thigs iv read about says ammeter red and basllast resistor blue..
 
Once again, a gentle lecture ---find yourself a factory service manual.

Here's the 72 manual posted the other day:

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=132309&highlight=manual

list of wiring diagrams start on 8-144

More stuff:

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=131932&highlight=manual

Go to page 8-151, find the steering column, wire no J1-12R battery and follow it down and to the right to a big diamond shape marked "1." This is known as the "no 1 in harness splice" in other words it IS an "in harness splice" that is factory welded and taped right inside the under-dash harness. THESE CAN FAIL

At the splice, you'll notice two more #12 wires, R6-12BK and R6A-12BK.

R6-12BK goes "off the page" to the left and to the diagram above, where it eventually ends up at terminal "P" of your bulkhead connector. THIS IS part of the main battery feed "into" the car

R6A-12BK goes up the original page TO THE AMMETER

From the ammeter, A1-12R comes down the page and "off" it to the left, and to the upper page where it eventually goes to "J" of the bulkhead connector.

BELOW are simplified diagrams from here:

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=31

Two schematics:

http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/1973/73ValiantA.jpg

http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/1973/73ValiantB.jpg

If you look at the above two schematics (the wires are not numbered) you can see that "J" of the bulkhead goes to the battery through the fuse link,

P of the bulkhead comes from the output of the alternator.

On schematic B if you follow the "big black" from P of the bulkhead off and up to the right you can see the way that this diagram depicts the "number one splice."

EXCEPT FOR the fuse link coming from the battery, there is NO fuse in this part of the circuit. If you have had a short on the BLUE lead (coming from your ignition) it is possible that there is internal damage to the harness, that is, you should untape it and inspect the big red and the blue back to where they terminate. It well could be that they are melted / shorted to something else in the harness.


So far as repair, same deal. Once you get the harness partly untaped, and confirm that there is no more damage, you can solder/ heat shrink or butt splice new wire in.

INSPECT the bulkhead connections for damage. It is likely that you will find such in this case, considering the "melt" that you have already found.

The blue by the way supplies the following, and once again, is NOT fused

ignition in run

regulator power/ sense

blue lead (power in "run") to the alternator field

electric choke if used

throttle solenoid if used

It MAY (don't remember) be tied in to original distributor retard solenoid.

THIS (blue) circuit can be problematic. If the bulkhead is damaged, and for that matter the entire path from blue (at ignition) back through bulkhead, to ignition switch connector---through switch--and main power to ignition switch--ammeter circuit--through bulkhead--to battery

IF this circuit is suffering, you will have VOLTAGE DROP across that section, which can affect ignition performance (low voltage) as well as cause OVERCHARGING because it is supplying (low) sense voltage to the voltage regulator.

Sorry if this sounds complictated, but it illustrates just why there are so many posts about problems with the bulkhead connector and ammeter circuit.
 
i have a complete set [2] 73 service manuals..with diagrams...im not well versed in electrical matters...but i believe i can follow what you are saying...the car was running when i bot it but not well...it was missing alot....ill get on pulling the loom apart and see what i come up with...it looks like it had a bad connection at the white connector ...continued trying to supply got hot from a poor connection and melted...but we will see...tx jim
 
Be sure to post back. The manual I have is one year wrong (72) but we can post partial picts of the diagrams to help you follow along.
 
ill def be back after i pick at it this w/e..id like to know where it all goes and how badly its burnt....tx..j
 
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