Exactly right.....and Erson is the DEAD WORST company about selling crappy camshaft grinds and then trying to push the higher ratio rockers on you. When Stoopid Shops had a store in Macon, that's all them boys could talk about was the higher ratio than stock rockers.....and if you looked through the Erson catalog, you saw why. All of their grinds were ridiculously low lift. Even when they got above 230* duration @.050" they still only had like .450 lift. It was stupid. It was like a big ploy to sell you a whole valve train of junk. I've never known anybody around here that had good luck with Erson anything.