I need some quick questions answered...

I don't have time right now to research things so I am asking for some quick help.

Here is the situation.....

I found a 2005 5.7 Hemi with 43k on it. It's in a truck and I can hear it run before they pull it. The deal is for $3400 for motor, trans and all accessories. I am figuring the computer, wiring, fuel pump, head pipes, and whatever else I can think of for a complete swap.

For the deal to go through, I have to pay for it in the morning.I am leaving for work in about an hour so I won't have time to research everything. What else should grab while I am there? Anything I need to look out for when dealing with these engines?

Thanks for your time!!:mrgreen:

I am not using the factory stuff to be sure, but snag any throttle linkage stuff and the gas pedal/harness if you can. They are drive by wire and you need it too...

Thats all I can think of...

JOE

take the oxygen sensor harness too...

Thanks guys!

I have to leave for work right now. I'll check this thread again in the morning before I leave.

jedrattle,
Try and get as much as they will let you grab. Get the engine and trans computer, all the wiring under the hood, power distribution box under the hood, wiring to fuel pump and fuel pump if they will let you have it. Gas pedal and wiring. If the truck has a security key then grab the key, column and wiring. Also get the OBD port and wires under the dash. You can always sort what you don't need later but the more you get the easire it will be to get it running.

good hit toplscuda, I forgot all about the OBD port. That's kinda important!!!!

How much more for the whole truck? You can scrap or sell what you don't use. That way you'd have it ALL.

I agree with everything in the previous posts. I'd also grab the ambient and battery temp sensors, leak detection pump, vapor canister, evap/purge solenoid, gauge cluster, trans yoke.

You dont need all that stuff if you use a FAST or Hotwireauto harness. Now if your gonna save some money and pick the factory stuff apart, then get anything and everything you can.

get what you can, and then contact me for what you can't as the build progresses. I can get just about anything you could need. As i have access to a few trucks being scrapped out.

The VIN numbers might be helpfull as well.

not to be an a$$ but there is only one VIN. And "VIN number" would be incorrect it's just VIN.

Thanks guys! :-D

I had planned to run a HotWire harness but not 100% on that yet. The cost has gone up about $250 from the last time I looked at them.:angry5: That isn't sitting well with me. I do like the ease of installation but a $1000 will do a bunch of other things for me. We'll see on that.

One step closer to the dream!!8)8)8)

You know what opinions are. Just like --------, everybody has one. Here is mine. I've been through the mill trying to make fuel injection work for this swap. Spent more money on reprogramming computer and special wiring than I care to think about or remember. Price of programmable controllers are out of sight. I realize using the RFE45 transmission sounds like a good plan for the overdrive but you need to understand the amount of effort required to make it fit floor pan, crossmember and need to custom build rear transmission mount. Better have a fully equipped shop. Been there and done that. My suggestion is to use MSD 6, the 6013 hemi controller and some transmission other than the RFE45. MSD does not require 02 or knock sensors. Nice, clean and easy hookup. I am using carburetor. Many intake manifolds available. No special high pressure fuel pump required.

However, if you are bound and determined to use fuel injection I have available a 20 gallon aluminum tank with Chrysler fuel Injection pump installed in it.

Well speedy426, I'll be honest here.

This isn't for an Abody. It's for my `47 Studebaker pu. I drove home thinking about it....for 2hrs. I thought why not just put it the `68. I thought about headers,engine mounts, wiring, fitting the OD trans, etc., etc., and all the money that would be spent on the swap(TTi hemi headers are like $850+). In addition I would want an Alterkation setup as well. Too much $$!! The `68 has a 340/auto in it now. I thought that I would lose the "nostalic muscle car" theme by going to the new hemi. I thought about the headers and all the nice stuff I have for the LA motor already. I decided to leave the 340 alone (maybe stroke it later on) and figure out an OD trans setup that will fit with little to no cutting, even if I have to use a gm trans.

Thanks for the help guys!

man I want to see the 47 when you get the motor in that thing will be swet

speedy426 said:

You know what opinions are. Just like --------, everybody has one. Here is mine. I've been through the mill trying to make fuel injection work for this swap. Spent more money on reprogramming computer and special wiring than I care to think about or remember. Price of programmable controllers are out of sight. I realize using the RFE45 transmission sounds like a good plan for the overdrive but you need to understand the amount of effort required to make it fit floor pan, crossmember and need to custom build rear transmission mount. Better have a fully equipped shop. Been there and done that. My suggestion is to use MSD 6, the 6013 hemi controller and some transmission other than the RFE45. MSD does not require 02 or knock sensors. Nice, clean and easy hookup. I am using carburetor. Many intake manifolds available. No special high pressure fuel pump required.

However, if you are bound and determined to use fuel injection I have available a 20 gallon aluminum tank with Chrysler fuel Injection pump installed in it.

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I totally appreciate and understand why some people choose to go with a carb and the MSD controller. Here's my view just to give another perspective.

Why install a modern engine without taking advantage of all the benefits? If I were going to go the carb route I would have just stroked the 360 I have and used a 727.
Yes, I had to make a custom mount for the trans. All it took was a welder, some metal, and a cutoff tool and air compressor to do the fabrication. I'm excited now to know that makes my 2 car garage a fully equipped shop.
Yes, I had to setup the fuel system. I could have spent some money to buy everything done for me, but I chose to modify the factory truck pump and my tank to make it work to save money.
Yes, I had to go through the wiring harness using the service manual and it took some time and patience and study of all the connectors, but it cost me very little. Mostly for relays, solder and a fuse block.
No, I didn't need a programmer to get it running, but I will likely end up using a diablo to give it a performance tune when I finally get it on the road.
Yes, I had to order my headers with O2 sensor bungs. and I plugged in all the sensors including knock, temp, emissions, etc.
I think the key questions you have to answer are:
What are your goals for the project?
Do you have the skills and patience to do what needs to be done for the intended outcome?

I love the Studebaker plan. I think For A Bodies Only has the best information no matter what route you take.

I don't get why so many people say the swap is hard. Even if it was an A body...which it's not, the hardest thing would be the trans tunnel mod. Geez. All you're doin is removing drivetrain from one vehicle and installin it in another. You could chunk it all in the front yard hook it all up and throw battery and gas to it and it would run in the front yard. It don't care where it's at. It'll run. All this talk is just stupid. You can put all that in anything it'll fit in and it'll run just as good as what Mopar put it in. I think it'll be cool as all hell. Go for it dude.

StrokerScamp said:

I don't get why so many people say the swap is hard. Even if it was an A body...which it's not, the hardest thing would be the trans tunnel mod. Geez. All you're doin is removing drivetrain from one vehicle and installin it in another. You could chunk it all in the front yard hook it all up and throw battery and gas to it and it would run in the front yard. It don't care where it's at. It'll run. All this talk is just stupid. You can put all that in anything it'll fit in and it'll run just as good as what Mopar put it in. I think it'll be cool as all hell. Go for it dude.

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^^^ =D>

StrokerScamp said:

I don't get why so many people say the swap is hard. Even if it was an A body...which it's not, the hardest thing would be the trans tunnel mod. Geez. All you're doin is removing drivetrain from one vehicle and installin it in another. You could chunk it all in the front yard hook it all up and throw battery and gas to it and it would run in the front yard. It don't care where it's at. It'll run. All this talk is just stupid. You can put all that in anything it'll fit in and it'll run just as good as what Mopar put it in. I think it'll be cool as all hell. Go for it dude.

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Having just dropped my 5.7 in my Dart yesterday I have to agree with this somewhat. At least in my case the engine just dropped in with pretty much no fitment issues whatsoever as far as the physical dimensions of the engine are concerned. The hard part is fuel and spark and it's only as hard as you want to make it. Getting fuel injection and spark to work on the 5.7 in a classic car is probably just about as hard as retrofitting it to work on a small block, you just have to get all the right pieces. I went the lazy route for now and am just using a carb and MSD box, but I know I can always add fuel injection later when I have the money to mess with it.

03ramit1 said:

not to be an a$$ but there is only one VIN. And "VIN number" would be incorrect it's just VIN.

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Department Of Redundancy Department. :smile:

Thanks for all the input!

I got it home yesterday. Spent 6hrs going to get it!


The place I got it from was great to work with. They unbolted everything from the cab and then lifted it off. I got the complete engine/trans, driveshaft, fuel pump and harness, pedal, all of the under hood harness, the shifter cable piece in the column, gauges, the y pipe with convertors and O2's, the trans cooler and lines. He is going to give me the dash harness and the electrical stuff off of the column. They only cut the wires in the tail light/fuel pump harness but they did it just pass the pump. They left the engine/trans bolted together so all the lines/wires/etc are still in place just like when it left the factory.


I have decided not put one in my `68. Aside from the $$ issue there is a nostalgic thing for me with the 340 Dart. My parents had a `68 GTS 340/auto when I was born. Of course they brought me home in it. But my dad liked that car so much he ended up buying and selling that thing 4 times in a ten year period. He went with me to look at my `68 and kinda zoned out when he saw it. He was like " This thing sparks so many memories for me!" So I am keeping it stock like expect for an OD trans and some bigger wheels. I can't wait to get my son, myself, and my dad in the car and go for a cruise! :cool:






Now for the Studebaker.......The one on the left is my dad's and the one on the right is mine. This is the only picture I have on this computer.




My dad's is a `50 and mine is a `47. He has a chevy sb and 700r4 setup. The interior is beautiful in it. We just had a photo shoot with it for Classics Trucks three weeks ago, it comes out in the August issue.

My `47 has a corboda front end under it with an 8 3/4 out back. Mild 360 and a 727 for power. Gets a ton of questions about why I went with a chrysler motor instead of a sbc. :laughing: The truck runs and drives. It has been like this for about 10yrs now and I hate it! It get terrible mpg, rides ruff, handles like crap, noisy, ugly, and the worst brakes you have ever driven! Now that dad's is done, I want to finish mine.

My plan was to rebuild it into a nice comfortable driver. I almost went with a 5.3 gm engine but I just couldn't do it!!:laughing: I am planning a full new chassis with air bags and the hemi. I really don't think I am going to mess with the hemi but a cam and set of headers might be nice! I think the hemi in a 3000lb little truck should run fairly well. From what I have been reading it will knock down some good mpg #'s, like around 25-27 in something like my little truck (it's about the size of a ford ranger). When I do drive it, I usually go about 125miles round trip. It takes a whole tank of fuel and then some if I don't keep my foot out of it! So some mpg and comfort would be nice for a change. I plan to do Hot Rod Power Tour with it someday.


I have a few other things to take care of before this project gets underway but I will be researching and asking questions in the meantime. Thanks for listening.

I love your truck - Awesome project.

yeah man that is one sweet truck. Keep the current paint. I love that color. It just looks right for it.

can't wait to see a hemi build up in it. Has it been done before? Or will this be afirst? Can't wait I will be expecting updates in the future.

The Hemi in your truck is going to be awesome. It sounds like you got everything you need from the donor to make it a fairly painless swap. Keep us updated.