A Holley problem all should know about and Why Holley Tech S#@KS

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Oldmanmopar

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I have recently been working on a problem with a 350 boost referenced holley carb on my supercharged omni. While holding the throttle open, the accelerator squirters would start pushing fuel like they were injectors. I was told this was called pull over and was common on 4 cylinders from intake pulses. I called holley tech line and was told by them they make parts to eliminate this issue.. I bought they're anti pull over squirters which come on all spread bores (no help). Then they sold me a Mallory metal needle, heavier and they are sold and made to prevent pull over.(no help). Then They sold me a spring loaded needle. (no help). I was working on this for a long time. I made an adapter plate for the blower for a carter 625 comp. series carb. and the problem was gone. Because of the width of the carb it was hitting the firewall lip I couldn't leave it on. I called holley and they told me the problem was I needed more CFM with the Blower. So I bought a 500 Holley and boost referenced it and put it on. Right back to square one. I installed all parts the required listed above. (no help). They then had me drill a .020 hole in the pump passage on the back side of the metering block. They said this would let it suck air out of the top of the bowl and not fuel. That seamed to slow it up but I lost some squirt a the pump when needed. so (no help) I gave up. Then one day I was working on the duster it was running rich in the middle while cruising. It has a BLP 1000 CFM. I called them and they told me The emulsion jets in the metering blocks were not meant for mid range cruising. I put 850 holley blocks in and jetted it for the top. While I was holding the throttle open at 4000 I noticed the accelerator squirters doing the same as the omni. I thought to my self. What the F#@k. is going on here. I called up a Roundy round friend and told him what it was was doing. he asked if I had solid mounts. I said yeah I did. He said change the bowls. The new holleys from around 1990 on have a orange diaphragm check valve in the accelerator pump, this is a total seal and although better on a mild street car on rubber it won’t work on a steel mounted race motor on the street . while holding a steady throttle the pump diaphragm picks up a vibration with solid mounts and starts to pump fuel. through the squirters because the passage back to the bowl is sealed. He also told me this is why Quick-fuel still uses the check ball. I asked why it is never noticeable on race cars. He told me on circle track cars it is , under part throttle. But on drag cars your usually full throttle and jet accordingly. I put older holley bowls on the BLP and the problem was gone . I even put the billet blocks back on it that came with the carb. I then got the Omni back out and put a n older bowl on that 500. And low and behold it was fixed. I called holley and told them my findings. They told me yes they were aware of this but I told them I had pull over. This was not, it was pump vibration pressure. I got kind of mad and asked what are they going to do about the new bowls I would have to buy now . They told me this was my problem and suggested me to look at flea markets for old carbs because they don't make those bowls anymore, and I should have used their carb with rubber mounts as recommended. What a F#@kin joke. No wonder Every one stays away from holley. I am buying a new quick fuel as suggested. BLP bull shitted me to.
 

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Holley-do get me started (to late!). On my original 440 sixpack (1970) set up the previous owner drilled out the secondaries jets and then tried to fill them back up by sticking paper clips in the jets. Needles to say I ended up getting a new set of Holleys for it (thanks to my sweetheart) with the coated throttle shafts that are made so they will never stick in the bore/base plate. Well guess what-they are stuck solid right now after sitting over winter and sitting in carb cleaner/penetrating oil/ for weeks at a time has not helped. I wish Carter made a sixpack set up.
 
LX DUDE Meds won't help me to old? And I really don't give a F#@k what you think. Punched it into a google search .I Should have done it from the start I would have saved alot of cash I could have bought a bag of the same weed your smokin. And you should have done it before commenting. Call holley and tell them you have (pull over) see what they sell ya. Or how about all the Sites selling a fix for the same problem. . There is a company in florida selling special needles for $76.00 to all the guys running the 2300 4 cyl ford in the circle cars. and they are buying them. And its all in the bowl. Watch this then tell me I need meds. And holley will deny it until they sell you all they can. There are hundreds of these sites telling the samething . Maybe if you wouldn't be quick to deny advice your car would go alittle faster than you claim it does. Now I have my doubts on your times. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VOXXRtyG3E&feature=player_detailpage"]YouTube - Holley Carb pump pullover problem[/ame]
 
Ther are better videos of cars on dyno's . Once I fixed the Omni It goes 7500 instantly.Right up against the pill. and was able to get the fuel curve right with just air bleed changes.
 
I think Chill Pills still work on grouchy old guys.

You SERIOUSLY need to lighten up.
 
Watch the whole video an notice the primaries are really flowing and the secondaries trickle and are not even open. It then shows the problem. So this is vibration not pulsation. You would not believe the difference in the drivability in my Duster. I thought is was the cam giving it the choppiness up to 3500, it was fuel. I put my 115 , 125 jets back in and I even got to smaller air bleeds. It now smooths out at 3000.
 
Why because you didn't agree . I should chill. I am only letting others know how Holley techs screwed me. If you like your out of the box Holley ,say it but don't. try to make me look bad because I want to let others know of Holley tech's lies to me. this went on with my Omni for almost a year and one motor. and over $1000 in parts just from holley alone. I would say I have the right to be alittle pissed off at them. And what better place to vent my discussed but on the web for all to read. I will never buy another item from Holley.
 
Sorry LX I might have takin your initial comment the wrong way. Maybe I should be taking pills or get out the old pipe from the past.
 
I had the same problem. 225 Slant Six with a Factory Hyper Pak with a 650 DBL Pump. Solid motor mounts. It really started being a problem when I installed a Y pipe on the header outlets from flow master. Never noticed it before that. I thought that was the reason, but now I think it might have been this check ball deal. At certain RPM's it would just spray fuel and I had the clearance on the pump cam set real loose. You could hold the lever off from the pump cam and it would still spray fuel. Thanks for the heads up!
 
First I hate Holleys, never have had good luck with them and have heard a lot of other complain as well....That sucks that a tech line for a company that sells it products does not have enough sense to provide good customer service......Glad you got the problem ironed out....now go smoke the tires that will make it all better....
 
Just looked at my freinds dart. Its doing the same thing. and he thought his car was running just fine. 340 4spd holley 650 . We will be putting on other bowls when he finds some. He said to me no wonder it uses so much fuel on the highway. he stated it gets better mileage around town, I never thought of that.
 
Looks like the old dog learned a new trick. Thanks for sharing with the rest of us.

Now go burn some rubber and give me a "HELL YAAAAA!!!!!!" :burnout:


Wylde1.
 
Very enlightening.. thx for sharing. Sucks when a company's techs either don't know their own products problems, or even worse when they would rather lead you down an expensive garden path to sell more product.

Grant
 
So, in terms of cars with isolating mounts (i.e. rubber, urethane, etc), this is not an issue... correct?
 
That's been a known issue with holleys FOREVER!!!

They make or used to make a set of accelerator nozzles called ...anti-pullover nozzles.
 
So, in terms of cars with isolating mounts (i.e. rubber, urethane, etc), this is not an issue... correct?
My freinds car has new rubber mounts and his is doing it but not as bad as my duster with steel mount. My Omni is the worst. It actually looks like injectors wide open with a high pressure pump. I believe it is more noticable when you load the motor as they did on the dyno above. My duster you could see it at certain RPMs in nuetral. But you could feel it cruising. almost like it was loading up and missing. But my cam is so big it doesn,t clear out until over 2500. so it was hard to feel. But when I corrected it . It was like a different motor.
 
That's been a known issue with holleys FOREVER!!!

They make or used to make a set of accelerator nozzles with anti-pull-over tubes in them.

I heard about the pull over but I personally never experienced it. And when they told me that is what I had, I could not correct it . It was definately the orange diaphargm. not Pull over. Why wouldn't they just admit they screwed up on their redesign and fix it.
 
Ecklebrock ain't any better for there tech, if fact, there horrible, they try & sell you everything, & there impossible to get ahold of. I've always had good dealings with holley, even there NOS devision, Hell, just that year i sent them parts from a holley i bought of e-bay & the plateing was falling off, i sent them the bare bowls/MB & blocks, they sent me a "brand new" carb no questions ask, they could have told me no dice, because it was an e-bay buy, sorry you had bad dealings.
 
All carbs have their issues and everyone has their favorites-kind of like makes and models of cars,and one thing about hotrodding is you cant rely on anybodys tech 100% lol-just ask barry grant-if he was still in buisness.Good you figured it out.
 
I've heard of pull over, but never actually seen it on anything. That includes some Modified Tour circle track cars, motor plate drag cars of all makes, etc. The vast amjority of these cars have Holley products or various clones of them. If this was so prevalent I'd expect to see a lot more examples of this when engines are on dynos where they are rigid mounted and fuel and air carefully measured as they go in. I'm more inclined to say that it's an individual basis, and it may have more to do with some production units' quality than a defect of basic design. It's cool you figured it out and honestly I plan to make more of an effort to try to look for it.
I agree on the tech line people. They typically are not the high paid engineers but simply interested people that follow a scripted set of answers. It doesnt mater what company, what product. If the last name of the guy isnt the name of the manufacturer, or ends in "PHD", they will only be able to help on a basic level.
BTW, how quick is that Omni? I almost bought one of those blowers years ago...
 
Never heard of this, but I've got a 350 holley that I was on using for my /6 for a couple of weeks. I didn't "see" the squirters do that, but I do know that it ran so inconsistently that I had to put the old carter back on, thanks!
I also found this:
http://www.stockcarracing.com/techarticles/scrp_0508_carburetor_cures/index.html
a way to "fix" the orange diaphragm...but after reading through the whole thing...the "spacer" used reduces the pump shot volume...hmm
 
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