Way Cool Lower Control Arms

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Yep,see what the truth does??? start to beat up on the guy who's right
 
When you taking that yellow pic off joe????? It's all cut up now and sold oh that's right got to be a man and show a car that's non-existent--Pride will do that to you
 
lol..


your funny.. post like you were a happy customer and defending all those crappy welds instead of coming clean and saying you were actually the man in charge.. why not come clean without me pointing it out? what a fraud..


as far as why i still have my dart in my sig goes.. i haven't gotten around to changing it.. i think about it then i click new posts and start reading and forget about it..

pride??? not sure what the hell your talking about.. i am loving cruising around in my rag top... at the same time i'm saving money to build the other dart to how we want it... its a win win situation as i see it..
 
abodyjoe said:
QA1 bought out cap ( i heard to avoid getting sued) hopefully the quality has improved


never really understood what was gained with those arms... how much lighter could they be?
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not sure what was wrong with what i said... i pointed out facts.. qa1 bought you out did they not??

also said hopefully the quality has improved.. hell everyone hopes that is the case.. so thats a fact also..


as far as the law suit goes i'm just repeating what word on the street is.. i didn't type it as fact, just stated thats what i heard. totally believable though with the failures you had..

and the last thing i said was i'm not sure how much weight they could actually save.. an honest question. no?

my my your awful sensitive aren't you...
 
I purchased the Cap Auto upper and lower control arms and the adjustable strut rods and must say they were the worst after market parts I have ever bought in my 30 years of building cars. The welds are the worst I have ever seen and I look at welds every day, the upper control arms are different lenghts and angles from side to side, not even close to the same. I hope QA1 has dealt with these issues and I am sure they have as the make other very good quality products. For those that rave about the Cap Auto stuff I have all mine for sale but I would not recommend them for use on anything other than a car on a static display or a how not to fabricate display.
 
For those that rave about the Cap Auto stuff I have all mine for sale but I would not recommend them for use on anything other than a car on a static display or a how not to fabricate display.
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the only one here that really raves about the parts is the former owner of CAP that comes here and poses as a satisfied customer not the owner. very fraudulent and misleading in my opinion.
 
My question is why anyone created a tubular lower arm for these cars in the first place ?
Where was the need or what was to be gained ?
Hundreds of practicly indistructable OEM lower arms still exist. Heck I own 5 pairs LOL
The sway bar tab on the OEM arm is formed in such a way that it isn't going to give so instead the sway bar twists on one side of the arm.
Welding the extra plate on the bottom can only improve the arms strength.
These older cars were built like tanks. That's why we can still drive them.
To change to a lot of pizzy ricer looking parts could mean someday parking it in the field with the risers.
I would sooner support PBS and Big Bird but that's just me. Good luck to QA1 and all
 
RedFish said:
My question is why anyone created a tubular lower arm for these cars in the first place ?
Where was the need or what was to be gained ?
Hundreds of practicly indistructable OEM lower arms still exist. Heck I own 5 pairs LOL
The sway bar tab on the OEM arm is formed in such a way that it isn't going to give so instead the sway bar twists on one side of the arm.
Welding the extra plate on the bottom can only improve the arms strength.
These older cars were built like tanks. That's why we can still drive them.
To change to a lot of pizzy ricer looking parts could mean someday parking it in the field with the risers.
I would sooner support PBS and Big Bird but that's just me. Good luck to QA1 and all
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LOL , xs2 on all of the above ....ive seen the frame rail and k member twist and bend before the factory control arm at a good 20 mph curb shot.
 
swifter said:
When you taking that yellow pic off joe?????
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I for one like this picture for a signature.....I'd leave it. JMO though! :D

And I agree there is no gain to installing a part that in "first appearance" will not be nearly as stable as stock and offer no real gain other than looks if that is what you want.
 
gdrill said:
I for one like this picture for a signature.....I'd leave it. JMO though! :D

And I agree there is no gain to installing a part that in "first appearance" will not be nearly as stable as stock and offer no real gain other than looks if that is what you want.
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X2, Joe keep the pic. Anyone that has read the history/story behind it would say the same.
 
jrlegacy23 said:
X2, Joe keep the pic. Anyone that has read the history/story behind it would say the same.
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I agree! i have followed your cars story on BBD for a long time. that dart is a great example of what alot of us would like our cars to some day be. piss on the dude slinging mud.
 
RedFish said:
My question is why anyone created a tubular lower arm for these cars in the first place ?
Where was the need or what was to be gained ?
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On a drag car the heim jointed arms are a definite advantage.

Would I put that type of arm on a car I planned to drive 100K, ummmm... NO!
 
abodyjoe said:
the only one here that really raves about the parts is the former owner of CAP that comes here and poses as a satisfied customer not the owner. very fraudulent and misleading in my opinion.
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lmao! get him joe! and tell us about this new project..............
 
I like Joe's x car in his sig also.
Kinda like having a picture of an old war buddy on the mantle.
 
wracks71 said:
lmao! get him joe! and tell us about this new project..............
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new project?


we are gonna put all the good stuff (well most of it any way) from my yellow car onto out 70 dart which is a lot cleaner and nicer then my yellow car is/was. in the long run i'll be quite a few $$$$$ ahead of the game and i'
ll have the rag top i wanted..:)


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LCA re-enforcement plates

I myself had toyed with the idea of adding those plates to the lower control arms. I studied on the set that i had and determined that there would be no measurable benefit to doing so. First off, the factory RIVITED the two halves together. Why? Because welds break! Secondly, the LCAs receive very little torsional stresses. Its all lateral forces, up and down, side to side. The factory pieces are an engineering work of art. Simple, strong, and relatively light weight.

If one were to spend money upgrading the suspension, it is much better spent on larger torsion bars, sway bars, and re-enforcing the steering box mount on the k-member.
 
I ran a set of CAP lower control arms on my Challenger until very recently. They are lighter, about 8 lbs each vs the stock lca's.

And, they SHOULD be strong enough, if they were built by someone that could weld. I ended up cracking one of welds on mine, which caused the arm to bend up where the tube meets the adjuster housing. Nothing catastrophic, I noticed my car was sitting a 1/2" lower on one side and after doing some searching found the cracked/bent LCA. I don't think it would have failed catastrophically either because of the way they're constructed, but broken is broken.

Other than lighter, they also give you about an extra 1/2" of suspension travel, which can come in handy on lowered cars.

But, unless QA1 has tightened things up, I wouldn't buy them again. The design isn't bad, and they could be beefed up pretty easily in the important spots if you were worried about it. But its really only worthwhile on a racer.

I would be kind of interested to see QA1's product, but I'm not paying that kind of money for it. Don't mess with any of the old CAP stock, its not worth the headache, trouble, or the risk. The welding out of CAP was horrible, even more so than I realized. They covered up their crappy welding with prep work and powder coating.
 
73Swinger318 said:
Check these LCA's out instead.
http://www.dillingerchassis.com/
These are what QA-1 should be selling.
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Those are really nice, BUT they don't work with torsion bars. They're a coilover conversion piece only.

Badart does AWESOME work. I have some of his parts, and plan to get more. But I don't really see the advantage to switching to coilovers on a chassis originally designed and intended for torsion bars. Not a knock on him at all, just my own opinion. With a few tweaks (like bigger bars, tubular UCA's and adjustable strut rods) the torsion bar suspension works great, and offers some unique advantages over a coilover set up.
 
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