1.03 PST Torsion Bars

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Or they could simply index the bars and they would work as if an engineer designed them...
 
I am glad I read this. I had some 1.04 mopar bars in my dart a long time ago and loved them ( had Plenty of adjustment left even with my big block ). have been thinking of getting a new set and now know which ones not to buy. running the car with the adjusters maxed out for a low ride height seems A@* backwards to me.
 
Hersbird said:
Or they could simply index the bars and they would work as if an engineer designed them...
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I'm no engineer but I'm fairly certain that these 1.03 PST torsion bars will work as engineered. I'm expecting a lowered ride height, a stiffer ride, and better cornering ability with less body roll. The torsion bars will function properly as they are installed in my car. If I was jumping the car or pulling the wheels on launch I might be a little more concerned with the davit or what ever it is called possibly hitting the frame and binding up on a hard landing. But I'm not, and that will never be the case with this car.

I suspect that the guys that have never had or tried these torsion bars will not be swayed and I'm fine with that. The others that have used them and not been satisfied I totally respect their opinions. Myself I bought these used for a budget build and will be giving it a shot. So far I'm excited about trying them. Looking forward to being able to go around corners a little faster.
 
Not sure if it matters that im working with an early A, but I installed a set of 1" bars from Just Suspension in my 65 Val, and they are also not offset any whatsoever. I DID NOT have the problem thats being described here. Instead, I had somewhat the opposite situation on mine. I dont know if its because of the way I indexed the bars on the control arms, or if its because the 1" bars are "softer" than the 1.03's, but I ended up having to back my adjusters wayyy out in order to get the car LOW enough for my liking. So far out in fact that I was initially concerned that the adjustment bolts would be a potential catch point under the car.

All that being said, I couldnt be more pleased with the performance and price of these bars. Talk about making a world of difference in the personality of the whole car. It drives AMAZING, much like a more modern vehicle.
 
i bought a set of 1.03s from pst for my73 cuda and have installed them with the motor and trans out ,i have less than an inch of thread left to bring the car up and my 451 stroker and box arnt even in yet ,i DEFINETLY say that bars that arnt indexed arnt right because you simply cant get the max adjustment that you should be able to get with your torsion bar bolts,basically with these bars there is one setting and thats lowered with bolts screwed right in,i have there 2 inch drop spindles in as well:angry7:
 
72BBSwinger said:
Good luck, I hope they work for YOU. The problem with the adjuster being that maxed out, among other things, is it can actually hit the frame rail on compression. My buddy had the Mopar .810 drag bars in his Dart and when it would come down from a wheelie those adjusters would once in a while catch the frame rail and get STUCK there and not allow the suspension to even return to ride height. He went with .890 bars as a result. NO BEUNO. I'll spend an extra $150 for FF bars that work perfect any day.
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Firm Feel 1.06" bars for us all day long. We've been there, done it and the cost difference isn't worth the hassle you will get when the PST's don't work. You need a bar with 15 degree of offset in this diameter to get a proper adjustment on the bars.

Of course when we go out we drive 1,000 miles in 1 direction for shows, sit there for 3 days and discuss our Bergman sourced suspension pieces with 100's of people and tell our story, then we drive home on all kinds of bad roads. This isn't a VFW hall cruise night car. Our Scamp is a driver that gets tons of road time.

Other than these torsions I haven't had bad luck with PST.
 
sent a p.m to ya,but you are correct,if you want correct ride height you can't use pst bars,while you can get close it requires you to position the adjusting arm (that the adjustment bolt hits up against) at nearly 11:00 position,pointing right at the corner of the frame rail,with only a match-book worth of clearance,seems a little dangerous.
 
has PST corrected this problem with their bars yet?? or should i just go with firm feel 1.06" bars and be done with it?
 
From what the guy from PST Said they aren't goin to fix them because there is no problem. So must not have plans to clock them as factory.
I would just go Firm Feel and hope to soon get some 1 inchers
 
it sucks to have to pony up an additional $150 for the firm feel bars, but i gotta do what i gotta do. i dont like the fact that the pix show the adjuster way too close to the framerail. i think some of these guys are missing the point of the pix by looking at the rubber bump stops on the LCA, thats not the issue, the adjusting cams will smack the frame under a hard deflection way before the arm bottoms out on the rubber stops. the bar adjusting cams hitting the framerails under full deflection when hitting a bad bump in the road is the issue. firm feel 1.06 bars are in the worx for me, just gotta get a little more overtime at work and i will be getting them.

PST is usually very good with their stuff. i have never had problems with them in the past. so i cant see why they wouldent listen to the people who are using this product. the pix showing the adjuster cams hanging way out above the LCA is very telling. i dont think it should be much of a big deal to have their manufacturer re index the bars a bit more.

if you want to lower the front end, a torsion bar adjustment should only be used for about 1" anyways. any lower than that and the lower ball joints can come close to and possibly pinch under full deflection. there used to be special rebuildable lower ball joints with a corrrected angle for B body cars back when mopars ran nascar in the 60s and 70s to eliminate this pinch point. i have seen these at my friends place. his dad used to race ARCA back in the early 70s. i believe he said either MOOG or TRW made these but now when he calls them up about replacement parts for these special ball joints they wont talk to him about them, and hang up, pretty weird if you ask me. however these special "corrected" lower ball joints were used to allow the torsion bars to be used to lower the car and not pinch the lower ball joint on the LCA since the rules dictated stock spindles be used.

nowadays if you want to drop the front more than 1" i recommend drop spindles as the easy and proper way to do it.
 
I know that some of you have expressed opinions about our 1.03 torsion bars whether they are good or bad we do listen. Here at PST we have sold 499 ever of our zero clocked or flat-flat 1.03 torsion bars and 51 sets alone just this year with no returns.

We are at the reordering point with our forge in the mid-west (Yes PST's torsion bars are made in the USA). We have made the decision to add clocking to this run of our A Body bars. There will be a 15 degree offset added to the bars. The new design will allow for more adjustment. We hope have the new torsion bars in within a week or so.

Thanks
James
 
First hand experience here with a running driving car for the last three of four months. 72 Dart all iron 318 engine, battery in stock location, 1.03 torsion bars (unclocked). Love the ride and feel of the torsion bars, nice firm ride without the harsh banging feeling on the street. Provides a much more stable feel during cornering, even without sway bars. Definitely a good upgrade.
 

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PST said:
I know that some of you have expressed opinions about our 1.03 torsion bars whether they are good or bad we do listen. Here at PST we have sold 499 ever of our zero clocked or flat-flat 1.03 torsion bars and 51 sets alone just this year with no returns.

We are at the reordering point with our forge in the mid-west (Yes PST's torsion bars are made in the USA). We have made the decision to add clocking to this run of our A Body bars. There will be a 15 degree offset added to the bars. The new design will allow for more adjustment. We hope have the new torsion bars in within a week or so.

Thanks
James
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So you guys did listen. Glad to hear and I'm glad I waited. I was looking at a set of your bars but held off to see if you corrected the problem. Perhaps I shall now reconsider my T bar choice. :happy1:
 
dukeboy_318 said:
So you guys did listen. Glad to hear and I'm glad I waited. I was looking at a set of your bars but held off to see if you corrected the problem. Perhaps I shall now reconsider my T bar choice. :happy1:
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Thank you for the consideration.

James
 
Glad I just read this entire thread, because I am about ready to order some t-bars as well and was ready to say f it until I got to these last couple of replies. Almost didn't click the link to the 3rd page.

Maybe they should consider offering both 15 degree clocked and un-clocked versions???
 
The new bars are in stock and ready to ship. As for the zero clocked we sold out completely a month ago. At this point we will only be carrying the new design until we have another run made then we may consider both. Also these bars are made in the USA.

Thanks

James From
 
PST said:
I know that some of you have expressed opinions about our 1.03 torsion bars whether they are good or bad we do listen. Here at PST we have sold 499 ever of our zero clocked or flat-flat 1.03 torsion bars and 51 sets alone just this year with no returns.

We are at the reordering point with our forge in the mid-west (Yes PST's torsion bars are made in the USA). We have made the decision to add clocking to this run of our A Body bars. There will be a 15 degree offset added to the bars. The new design will allow for more adjustment. We hope have the new torsion bars in within a week or so.

Thanks
James
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I see that I made a mistake in this post after reading the offset is 20 degrees, similar to the offset that we put on our B and E body bars.

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James
 
I have read the whole thread on the t bars and must say I commend PST for
listening to the customer I will be purchasing the t bars with 20 deg. Offset
from PST. But I do feel that superdve and gmachinedartgt should have been
givin some type of refund just seems like good buisness to me
 
I have just placed my order on the 1.03s with the offset i am anxious to get them in n see how they do
 
We did offer them options outside of the forum thread but they declined them. They were offered the same as any other customer would have but at this time that is water over the dam.

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James
 
James clue the sales team in i literally called first thing this am n the guy said new batch was same as the old so i ordered some 920s from summit i have since called summit n cancelled n ordered 103s from y'all
 
mattm said:
James clue the sales team in i literally called first thing this am n the guy said new batch was same as the old so i ordered some 920s from summit i have since called summit n cancelled n ordered 103s from y'all
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I'll go up right now and have a talk with them:protest: lol

Thanks
James
 
got my new pst 103 bars in today thank you james n the new bars do have indexing in them for all who are wondering i hope to have them installed on my day off tommrow but got alot to do still got to plate the lower control arms after i pull it all apart n all
 
Holy crap! The emotional roller coaster I just went thru reading this thread from the beginning to the end!

I ordered a set of 1.03s beginning of the week, based on the great price and PSTs reputation. Then I just stumbled on to this thread! Got me really worried!

I feel a lot better now, unfortunately I missed almost the entire episode of MacGyver I was watching!
 
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