Centerline Wheels warning

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rnaz

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This is a long post. I apologize in advance for those who don't want to read it, but I want every detail I can remember documented here.

I just want to give a fair warning to any of you fellow A-body owners who are thinking about ordering wheels from Centerline in a small bolt pattern.

On August 6, 2013, I ordered 4 15" Small bolt pattern Centerline Convo Pro wheels from Summit Racing. The front wheels were listed as being "in stock", and the rear wheels had an estimated ship date of 8/24/2013 at the time of order.I was already aware that I was not going to get my wheels in 3 weeks, so I planned on 4-6 weeks for the rears.

The fronts arrived the next day along with my Mickey Thompson front and rear tires.


I checked the "expected arrival date" multiple times within the 3 weeks, and when the first date came, I contacted Summit via the customer service online chat, at which time I was told that they still expected to arrive and ship to me.

When I got home from work that night, I was greeted with a post card from Summit Racing stating that the delivery date of my wheels had been delayed until 9/6/13. Wow...that's funny...I talked to customer service that very morning, and I was assured that everything was still running on time according to my original quote.

I sent an email to their customer service detailing the incident, and explained that I wasn't upset, but I expect better from them when I specifically asked for the information that they failed to provide.

At this time, I asked Jim from customer service to contact Centerline and get me a truthful answer, and he said he would.

A couple of days went by, and I had gotten no response, so I took matters into my own hands and contacted Centerline myself to inquire about the status of my wheels. I was responded to by a man named Louie who said that my wheels would be finished by 9/6/2013, and shipped to Summit within a day or so after completion.

September 6 came and went, and I then emailed Louie again inquiring about my wheels at which time he said "[FONT=&quot]Wheels will be shipping out with the next stocking order. Should be Wednesday or Thursday".

That was 10 days ago, so today I called Centerline to get an answer from them. I was told that my wheels were being polished and sealed today, and would ship out tomorrow or Thursday.

I blew a gasket at that point, and told Louie that he had a lot of nerve to lie to me over the phone after he lied to me via email with the same exact story a week ago.

He got offended. I was absolutely trying to offend him, as he intentionally lied to me on 2 occasions within a week.

His new story is that the wheels should be done and shipped tomorrow, (via ground of course), and Summit should have them in a week. I asked him what part of a 7-8 week delivery was acceptable when 3-4 was promised, and he had no answer except to ask me to call him tomorrow to check on the status of my order.

I told him that if he comes back and tells me it will take more than 1 more week, I will be cancelling my order, and spending my money elsewhere, as I refuse to be lied to and run in circles.

We shall see what happens.
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Why do they need to ship "to Summit?" Why can't they direct ship them to YOU?
 
Apparently since I ordered through Summit, Centerline isn't "allowed" to ship directly to me because of their contract or some junk.

I asked about that, and Louie just lied to me again. I even offered to pay him extra to get me my wheels by Friday, and he said "I can't take your money, and even if I could, I wouldn't in this case because you've waited so long."
 
well that sucks... most times they drop ship on stuff like that...

something to think about to is centerline has probably half a dozen phone people, maybe tech maybe not, so they are going to tell you yes, always yes. this is the reason i will only talk to tech guys in most situation as they dont have to BS you.

Personally i would call a higher up of Centerline after you talk to louie again, and let them know where everything stands...
 
I think someone at my work might know someone who works at Centerline because they are here in So Calif. If you can get an order number I can find out tomorrow if they know a person there.
 
I think someone at my work might know someone who works at Centerline because they are here in So Calif. If you can get an order number I can find out tomorrow if they know a person there.
Thanks!
I will see what I can do, but since the wheels were ordered through Summit, that may be tough.
 
well that sucks... most times they drop ship on stuff like that...

something to think about to is centerline has probably half a dozen phone people, maybe tech maybe not, so they are going to tell you yes, always yes. this is the reason i will only talk to tech guys in most situation as they dont have to BS you.

Personally i would call a higher up of Centerline after you talk to louie again, and let them know where everything stands...

That's a good idea too. If I can find a higher up's email, I will send him the entire chain of emails and point out how he blatantly lied to me, then tried to cover it up with his bs story today.
 
I went through something like this a long time ago, i ordered 15x12 wheels with 7-1/4 Bs satin finish. long story i get the wheels one is satin the other is polished? WTF lolol. I call back and tell Summit to look for the other one in satin in the warehouse. Turns out Centerline still had it and shipped the wrong one. Took forever to get it resolved, but they did.
 
I went through something like this a long time ago, i ordered 15x12 wheels with 7-1/4 Bs satin finish. long story i get the wheels one is satin the other is polished? WTF lolol. I call back and tell Summit to look for the other one in satin in the warehouse. Turns out Centerline still had it and shipped the wrong one. Took forever to get it resolved, but they did.
Wow...they sure have a great reputation.

I'm pretty sure that I am going to cancel that order today after I talk to Louie.

I'll just swap axles and bolt pattern, and have mismatched wheels until I install my Wilwood front disc kit next year.
 
That sucks, I had an issue with a set of tires years back and Summit took care of me when Hoosier wouldnt.

Unfortunately in your case Im sure Centerline doesnt have a ton of 4" bolt circle wheels in stock so they are being special ordered.
 
I'll share a bit of insight... I worked in a CNC production for about 4 years. At each of my machines was a table and on the table was a stack of work orders. Typical quantities were anywhere from 50 to 1200 pieces. Naturally the operator wants to set up the high quantity orders and run those so any order of less than 50 would get shuffled to the bottom of the pile.
There were times when the guy that dealt with customers and delivered to orders to the floor would make a special trip out to one of my tables and reshuffle an order back to the top and tell me, "Must run this order next !" He got no argument from me. The downfall was in the clock. The order I was running didn't end before my shift ended. Then the second or third shift operator shuffled that short order back to bottom.
16 hours later I return thinking that order is history and never even look through the stack to see if it had been run. Meanwhile the guy who deals with the customers directly is telling the customer the order past machining, in finishing, nearly completed. That is what he assumes. He hasn't left his office again to verify and he didn't intentionally lie to the customer either. Days later when he comes back to me and finds that order on the bottom of the stack, all he can do is cuss a blue streak. I'm currently running a 750 piece order that absolutely will not be interrupted for any customer short of the military.
Bottom line... there is a wide gap between the guy you talk to on the phone and the production floor. He isn't a supervisor so he has little or no control over what is produced and when.
 
I will never blame the people on the floor, that's for sure.

The problem I have with this whole thing is the fact that I have given them double the amount of quoted time to get my wheels shipped, and they're still not even shipped to the supplier, even though they were "shipping on the next stocking order" 11 days ago.

That statement alone tells me that he didn't even bother to check when I asked about the status of shipping.

There was another email prior to the promise of shipment that stated they were drilled, and being sent to polishing/sealing, and "should be 100% complete before 9/6/13".
 
I ordered a set of wheels from them off their website. I got the same story from Louie myself several times. I didn't have to have them right away so I just sat back and let them get them done. Oh I remember now, they were out of the wheel hoops and had to wait for them to come in. It took a while but I get lots of compliments on the wheels. By the way mine are drilled 4.5" so it wasn't like they had to do a special setup.
 
I was OK with a 6 week delivery, but it has become a matter of principle now. You can't expect your customers to not be upset when you change a date on them 3 times, and you're still not able to deliver what you promised.

I work in a field where timing is critical, and if you don't deliver when you say, there are consequences, and one of those consequences is working around the clock until the job is done if that's what it takes.
 
Cut them a deal "Cal-Trans" style. "...for every day you are late shipping the order, we knock 5% off the invoice....." but Cal-Trans (CA state highway construction) deals in hours. They get their **** done days before the deadline as there is usually a bonus for every hour early they finish too. I know its not possible to cut contracts like that but wouldnt that be cool?
 
Sorry to hear of your problems with the wheels you ordered through Summit.
I purchased my wheels directly from Centerline several years ago and had absolutely no problem at any time. The wheels I bought were a new design for them at the time and I got a killer price because they were just being introduced. They were ready the day they promised they would be and I drove to their manufacturing facility and picked them up.
Actually, there was one small problem. My new wheels stayed in their boxes for a couple of years during my ongoing project build. When I finally bought tires and took the wheels out to get them mounted to the tires I discovered the valve stem hole had never been drilled in one of the wheels. One call to Centerline, a quick drive to their Santa Fe Springs location, a 10-minute wait and it was fixed and done. No questions, no hassles.
I've got only good things to say about Centerline - the best thing is my wheels were made right here in SoCal, not some offshore country.
 
I'm glad someone got what they ordered on time. How long ago was that?
 
Cut them a deal "Cal-Trans" style. "...for every day you are late shipping the order, we knock 5% off the invoice....." but Cal-Trans (CA state highway construction) deals in hours. They get their **** done days before the deadline as there is usually a bonus for every hour early they finish too. I know its not possible to cut contracts like that but wouldnt that be cool?

Definitely.

I'm more than willing to pay extra for expediting if I want something in a hurry. I just want what I've already paid in full for. (That's another story altogether, though. I won't be using PayPal for any special orders again, that's for sure)
 
So you took what summit had on their site as a guarantee when they aren't actually producing the wheel?

Those estimated ship dates are terrible sometimes. Notice it says "estimated". I recall when Ede victor BB heads were nowhere to be found. Those ship dates rolled over every 3-4 weeks for a few months!

I'll guarantee centerline isn't machining a boatload of 5 on 4 wheel. I'd bet it's not even close to a fast mover so they get put to the back of the line when production schedules come out. The guy at centerline may have had a schedule that showed it was to be in a run and that changed. Who knows.

Just something from the other side, from someone at one time that likely dealt/sold more centerlines than anybody.
 
That's one reason I switched to the bigger bolt pattern was the availability of 4in bolt circle 15in wheels.

Made it easier to find axels too
 
I'll share a bit of insight... I worked in a CNC production for about 4 years. At each of my machines was a table and on the table was a stack of work orders. Typical quantities were anywhere from 50 to 1200 pieces. Naturally the operator wants to set up the high quantity orders and run those so any order of less than 50 would get shuffled to the bottom of the pile.
There were times when the guy that dealt with customers and delivered to orders to the floor would make a special trip out to one of my tables and reshuffle an order back to the top and tell me, "Must run this order next !" He got no argument from me. The downfall was in the clock. The order I was running didn't end before my shift ended. Then the second or third shift operator shuffled that short order back to bottom.
16 hours later I return thinking that order is history and never even look through the stack to see if it had been run. Meanwhile the guy who deals with the customers directly is telling the customer the order past machining, in finishing, nearly completed. That is what he assumes. He hasn't left his office again to verify and he didn't intentionally lie to the customer either. Days later when he comes back to me and finds that order on the bottom of the stack, all he can do is cuss a blue streak. I'm currently running a 750 piece order that absolutely will not be interrupted for any customer short of the military.
Bottom line... there is a wide gap between the guy you talk to on the phone and the production floor. He isn't a supervisor so he has little or no control over what is produced and when.

Great post!
 
So you took what summit had on their site as a guarantee when they aren't actually producing the wheel?

Those estimated ship dates are terrible sometimes. Notice it says "estimated". I recall when Ede victor BB heads were nowhere to be found. Those ship dates rolled over every 3-4 weeks for a few months!

I'll guarantee centerline isn't machining a boatload of 5 on 4 wheel. I'd bet it's not even close to a fast mover so they get put to the back of the line when production schedules come out. The guy at centerline may have had a schedule that showed it was to be in a run and that changed. Who knows.

Just something from the other side, from someone at one time that likely dealt/sold more centerlines than anybody.

No, I didn't take what Summit posted as a guarantee.

What I took as a guarantee was the word directly from Centerline that the wheels were complete and shipping on 9/6/13. I waited 11 days after that to investigate again, and found that he didn't tell me the truth to begin with.
 
So you took what summit had on their site as a guarantee when they aren't actually producing the wheel?

Those estimated ship dates are terrible sometimes. Notice it says "estimated". I recall when Ede victor BB heads were nowhere to be found. Those ship dates rolled over every 3-4 weeks for a few months!

I'll guarantee centerline isn't machining a boatload of 5 on 4 wheel. I'd bet it's not even close to a fast mover so they get put to the back of the line when production schedules come out. The guy at centerline may have had a schedule that showed it was to be in a run and that changed. Who knows.

Just something from the other side, from someone at one time that likely dealt/sold more centerlines than anybody.

lol I remember, I got one of the first sets!
 
I had ordered steel wagon wheels from summit with an odd ball Ford bolt pattern and a custom offset for my car trailer, they were shipped direct to me from the manufacturer(thinking it was US Wheel). No problems.
 
Summit has always done a great job with shipping things to me over the years.
 
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