who makes best coil over front suspension

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Well, I'm not laughing. I think these guys have violated a trust in our
community by stating opinions not supported by facts.

Reckless statements like these could unduly influence the actions of other
members or could even damage member businesses.

Like Dr. Hemi, I'm waiting for an apology. Whether I get one or not,
their credibility with me is now less than zero.

WOW. you are really WAY too touchy. I think the thread started as asking what the best COILOVER suspension was. some of us that have it,either one,are throwing out our opinions. if you want to keep your s#%t stock,fine. don't compare it to something you know nothing about unless you have owned it or drove it. this is why magazines poke fun at mopar people because of their restore only attitude. I get get no credibility on pro-touring.com because I have a mopar and most of them have GM stuff. but I have the only mopar that shows up to run,and a lot of people hate it when we show up,that's what I like.
 
What???

You guys are out here expounding your "opinions" on probably some very
impressionable young car builders and YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN DRIVEN ONE!

You've got a lot of nerve spouting your unfounded B.S. here on what should
be a source of reliable information for all participants.

I for one call on you to apologize to all members reading this thread as well
as I think, to RMS and HDK.

What a bunch of CRAP!

We've "spouted" nothing "unfounded". All we've said is that it's not necessary to do a coil over conversion to have a fast, well handling Mopar. nothing more. And that's fact, not unfounded.

Now, were either of us talking about what a piece of **** coil over conversions were, that would be unfounded, but we were not.

I have not argued one single time that the conversions were not a good thing. Not once. I think you need to study grammar school comprehension.
 
Anyone is qualified to comment on what they know. That's all Jim and I did. We said nothing about coil over suspensions. We both talked only about the stock Mopar suspensions and what they are capable of. Nothing more.

I think some of you guys are actually hurting the discussion more than you blame us for. By being so defensive, you're throwing up all kinda red flags. If coil over conversions are so great (and I'm not arguing that they are not) they don't need defending. They'll sell themselves to those who are interested.

Again, no one has bashed anything. Not one time. All that was done was tout what the stock Mopar suspension can do. I think some of yall are clearly compensating for shortages in other areas.



I have to say that if you have not tried a stock set-up (in good repair)
and then a good coil over/R&P setup (HDK in my experience) then you
are not qualified to comment on what is a revelation in steering and
handling improvement.

There is just simply no comparison. I'm not talking "a little better" but
more like "not even on the same planet" differences.

Not to mention that a stock K seems to lean, even with a factory sway
bar, more than a good riding coil over setup does without the sway bar
even hooked up.

No matter how good the original steering could be (properly adjusted,
no slop in the components etc), the R&P steering is leaps and bounds
better. Comparable to a new modern car.
 
Once again, I have driven several RMS cars and many factory based cars. While the steering with a rack is good, it is not better than a well put together box by Firm Feel. Add that with the reduced radius of the rack, and I still see no improvement.
 
Personally, I am glad to read differing opinions. I doubt I'll ever build two vehicles exactly alike. I think that when the topic seemed to turn into a pissing match, it actually got better. I saw guys defending their positions by extolling the benefits of various designs. When Rusty pointed out mods made to a factory K-member setup as an alternative to the complete elimination of torsion bars setups, it was interesting reading. I'm not a purist and I've never left any of my muscle cars bone stock. I think that after following this thread so far, I'm leaning towards a HDK setup on one of my projects and Rusty's suggestions on another. I hope you guys don't get too mad at one another while you're schooling folks like me.
 
Personally, I am glad to read differing opinions. I doubt I'll ever build two vehicles exactly alike. I think that when the topic seemed to turn into a pissing match, it actually got better. I saw guys defending their positions by extolling the benefits of various designs. When Rusty pointed out mods made to a factory K-member setup as an alternative to the complete elimination of torsion bars setups, it was interesting reading. I'm not a purist and I've never left any of my muscle cars bone stock. I think that after following this thread so far, I'm leaning towards a HDK setup on one of my projects and Rusty's suggestions on another. I hope you guys don't get too mad at one another while you're schooling folks like me.

you sir are a true hot rodder.
 
Once again, I have driven several RMS cars and many factory based cars. While the steering with a rack is good, it is not better than a well put together box by Firm Feel. Add that with the reduced radius of the rack, and I still see no improvement.

lmao! I had a stage three Firm Feel box on my car and although it was a world better than stock,there is no comparison to R&P.

you guys have it out,i have have proof it is faster for what we do AND it is million times nicer on the street.
 
Second gen hemi, flat hood, correct tire fitmit with no special wheel requirement, better handling..... I'm placing an order for an HDK today for my Demon.
 

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As Rusty stated, we NEVER once bashed the coil-over conversions. We stated an opinion (actually a fact backed up by Ehrenberg's Green Brick). You will find, though, that Ehrenberg WILL bash all the aftermarket front ends. Throw your vitriol his way.

I also never said a rack didn't give more road feel or was not more responsive. Go back and read what was written by both of us. Every vehicle I currently have that is driveable has a rack.

So, no there will be no apology for stating facts. I also don't care what you think of my credibility. You see, nobody in my circle of friends or acquaintences has built a Mopar with an aftermarket front end, so there has been no opportunity to drive or ride in one. I've also never driven a hemi or had a ride in one. I guess I don't have any credibility there, either. Your desire to limit the discussion only hurts your position. You see, I can have this discussion with Bill Reilly and he respects what I've done and the way I choose to build cars.
 
I would be interested to know how many people actually RACE these different set-ups. What is your suspension/set-up knowledge level? Why you chose one system over another based on more than just hearsay.

I'll go first:
- I Road Race in the American Iron Series with NASA (Brand F....for now....)
- I have Auto-X'd with the SCCA, but once I took the hit from the crack pipe, I have a hard time getting excited about parking lot cone bashing (but still do it from time to time).
- I am a Mechanical Engineer and have studied suspension geometry and design on my own, if only to assist with my racing efforts.
- I don't pretend to know a lot about everything suspension, but I do work hard to grasp the basics and apply that throughout.


In my current project - I am looking for a streetable set-up that will be at home on the racetrack as well. There is a certain amount of give-up to have one over another - you really can't have both (EVERYTHING is an act of balance). While I first looked at the improvements to the stock torsion bar set-up, I discovered that what I was looking for and the balance there-in was not going to be my best choice. The stock-set-up is very well designed (take note of that!!) but it does have its limitations.

My next step was looking at the myriad of "custom" set-ups and after several years of phone calls, investigation, and review I have settled on the fact that the RMS and the HDK are most definitely the best designs for the price. For what I am leaning towards the HDK fits MY needs better than the RMS, if only for the increased range of adjust-ability. As Denny and Bill are both gear-heads and are always improving their systems, I feel more inclined to support them for my needs. Once Denny figures out a couple of details and releases the HDX, I'll be configuring my set-up accordingly.


Notice I used a lot of "I's" and "MY's" in my statement. To each their own, do your homework, take a look at the various options, determine what you want to do with your ride and where your balance points are (cost, function, etc.)
The bottom line is to go out and have fun and DRIVE your cars. Even a basic, nearly worn-out stock torsion bar suspension is more than enough for most any driver. Push things to the limits and you need to start moving your balance point.
 
I have not argued one single time that the conversions
were not a good thing. Not once.

RRR: I don't see the need for any of the coil over stuff

RRR: don't see the point of spending 3K

RRR: it's a waste of money and only for bragging
 
Some good points here but the op wants to know which is the best choice not does he need it or not.I dont know much about coil over conversions and this is educational. So please lighten up ya,ll.
 
Second gen hemi, flat hood, correct tire fitmit with no special wheel requirement, better handling..... I'm placing an order for an HDK today for my Demon.

did you check the power steering and A/C box for this build?
 
did you check the power steering and A/C box for this build?

yes and yes. Power steering only because I think there will be plenty of room, the engine can sit a little higher because the stacks are going through the hood. I also have short stacks and a additional hood just in case I want to change it up. Also, I am using the factory A/C blower motor. And that reminds me, I will be in need of an A/C bracket...... I was just about to call you........
 
yes and yes. Power steering only because I think there will be plenty of room, the engine can sit a little higher because the stacks are going through the hood. I also have short stacks and a additional hood just in case I want to change it up. Also, I am using the factory A/C blower motor. And that reminds me, I will be in need of an A/C bracket...... I was just about to call you........

A/C compressor bracket?....on the shelf with your name on it. I been wanting to get to that P/S pump bracket for the B/RB/Hemi....right after I finish Skypower's mounts.


the fun NEVER stops!....I love my job!
 
A/C compressor bracket?....on the shelf with your name on it. I been wanting to get to that P/S pump bracket for the B/RB/Hemi....right after I finish Shypowers mounts.


the fun NEVER stops!....I love my job!

No rush........... end of January or early Febuary works for me....
 
RRR: I don't see the need for any of the coil over stuff

RRR: don't see the point of spending 3K

RRR: it's a waste of money and only for bragging

Right. All MY opinion. All for MY decision. No one but ME.
 
Denny, I have avoided saying anything directly to you, but you have crossed the line. You appear to not be able to handle a dissenting opinion. That alone would make me avoid buying anything from you and should be alarming to anybody else. I have said NOTHING disparaging about your products or about you personally. I would expect the same in return...
 
Denny, I have avoided saying anything directly to you, but you have crossed the line. You appear to not be able to handle a dissenting opinion. That alone would make me avoid buying anything from you and should be alarming to anybody else. I have said NOTHING disparaging about your products or about you personally. I would expect the same in return...

Jim....I'm just havin fun...(notice I do a lot of grinnin, and shakin' my head) like guys do standing around shootin the BS at the shop.

I certainly didn't mean to ruffle feathers..... just trying to keep it light between us boys.
 
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