Workplace Rant....What to do?? Kinda Long...Sorry

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RustyRatRod said:
Oh, and I will add this. Being disabled, I have been out of the workplace a while, but I was in it a WHILE too. Now, I don't mean this to offend....so take it as you will.

I have seen people matching your description all my life. Worried more about what others are doing. Worry about YOU and YOUR job, not anyone else's, especially a supervisor. Whenever I worked for somebody else, I went in, did my job my best and called it a day. The riff raff will usually always work itself out sooner or later. In short, mind your own business.
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RRR Nailed it.
 
Just suggest to the owner that supervisors and up get pay base on output. They want you to come up with a solution give em one that should motivate them to get things done.
 
You may also want to consider that after you've been at the same job for a coupla decades,, that you too,, will not be so full of piss and vinegar,, and the young bucks'll be talkin about you,.. just a thought.. we all get old, and "established",, and tend to watch the young'ens go... and there will always be "slackers" no matter where you go... lol

jmo,, cuz I'm old,, and sure can't go the way I used to.. my minds willing ,. my body, not so much..lol
 
WOW...Sorry to here all your troubles at work.
are you sure we don't work for the same place I read your first post I was thinking we worked at the same place. LOL I here the same crap at work all the time. our 2- 3 shift have it made they f--k up and we have a manager that say its not there fault its ours we need to do more to help them out . REALLY............... I don't think so.. fire there dumb *** I work for a very large company........ but it pays the bill and that's the bottom line .
 
my Dad talking to me about same situation some 20 years ago said to me "yours is not to reason why but just to do or die"
 
Thanks everyone for advice and sharing. Sometimes you feel like you're the only one in the situation at the time.

Well, today, about lunch time, the CFO approaches me as if nothing's wrong and asks how my day is going. He then mentions that he just heard about the meeting I had yesterday. He didn't even know about the meeting until today!!! My supervisor didn't tell him about it, the lead did! But all he said is we had a meeting, not the details.
I told him that I had never been so insulted in my life. He got a surprised look on his face real quick. I told him that I was made out to be a "terrorist" to the company and was told that I think that I'm better than everyone. He just kept giving me weird faces and was in actual surprise. I told him even further at how the questions being asked didn't make sense and about the whole problem/solution ordeal and he quickly said that the meeting sounded all sorts of miscombobulated. I told him "yeah, you should've heard the things I heard. "
He then proceeded to tell me that I'm highly thought of within managment and want guys like me in the shop to help encourage others to pull their weight and do their jobs. :) He even told me that he would like to see me go further up into managment roles in which he gave a look and said that he'd make sure of a nice compensation $$$. lol
So, at this point, my supervisor looks like a complete moron who just tried to take things into his own hands and try and force me to just take it and keep my head down like everyone else does and just keep my mouth shut. This is what the owner is trying to change. He wants the "worker" to take intiative and get the ball rolling with people carrying their load.
The CFO then asks if I want another meeting with him involved and we could have it at 2 today. I gladly accepted.

The gist of the 2nd meeting was my supervisor apologizing and recognizing his own issues and flaws. The CFO kinda put him in his place and agreed with everything I was saying to him. He told my supervisor that if someone just isn't cutting the mustard, they need to get cut, not just move them to different areas or just letting them continually screw up just because we need a body and don't have a large pool of welders/fabricators to choose from to hire.

In the end, the CFO told us that he'd like for me to take on a Mentor/Trainer roll in the shop to help new hires learn the processes of the company and learn the particular expectations the company has for particular products, paperwork, etc.

All in all, it ended on a good note and my supervisor even came up to me again afterward and apologized and told me that he appreciates what I do for the company. I do like my supervisor, regardless of how I sound right now. He's the best one to work for in the shop as he actually gets involved and will throw on his hood and lay wire down when we're really strapped for time on jobs. The other supervisors just sit up in their air conditioned offices on the internet most of the day.
 
Well Jeremy, i've been following along but was hesitant to chime in, but it sounds like you are going about this the right way, and that your approach is appreciated by the powers that be! I think in the end, if you establish that your position is to do just what was being asked of everyone in the company....that everybody take the initiative to look for ways to better serve the company and all of its employees....that there can be no miscommunication or doubt as to why you say and do the things you do!!

Sounds like you are a well respected member of the team, and that you may be rewarded for all of your efforts!! Good luck my friend, Geof
 
cosgig said:
Well Jeremy, i've been following along but was hesitant to chime in, but it sounds like you are going about this the right way, and that your approach is appreciated by the powers that be! I think in the end, if you establish that your position is to do just what was being asked of everyone in the company....that everybody take the initiative to look for ways to better serve the company and all of its employees....that there can be no miscommunication or doubt as to why you say and do the things you do!!

Sounds like you are a well respected member of the team, and that you may be rewarded for all of your efforts!! Good luck my friend, Geof
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Thanks a ton Geof!! I sure hope it pays off. The CFO has only been there for a little over a year now and has been making strides in changing the way the company is ran....in a good way. It's taking a while for tenured people to change and accept the new approach but hopefully they come around.
Oh, sorry I never texted you about those grilles. Money has gotten tight but I'm working 10hr shifts going in at 4am till 230pm and working Saturdays 5am-11am. Hopefully i get a little extra to spend and can get em if you still got em. lol
 
I've been kicked around for over 20 yrs. I have learned that 90% of the time it is best to keep all your thoughts to yourself. I used to get vocal and talk back, but it didn't do a bit of good. Jobs are not easy to come by now, so don't record, don't turn the supervisor in, just do your job the way you know it should be done. Eventually you'll have 35 years in, and you can retire.
 
Jeremy, I just read the entire thread. I would have done what you have also. There is a reason that CFO was hired to begin with and if the company wants to change directions then they will be receptive to what productive employees have to say. I hate to work with slackers and that is why I have either worked on commission paying jobs or for myself.
 
No slackers in the REBAR industry. But....my point was....union workers will not be persecuted for other peoples lazieness. We don't need to be scared to voice our job related concerns either. To each his own though.
 
In my trade it's pretty much a non union trade, Don't pull yer weight i'll fire your ***!!!!!
 
Sounds like where I work, we were asked to do the same thing and when you did as asked you got attitudes from some people so I do what most here suggested I keep my mouth shut do my job to the best of my ability, when asked how is everything I say great, upper management nowadays don't give a **** if your happy or who's not pulling their weight it's all about the money. Listen to Frankie he knows the business side of things. My suggestion is don't trust anyone, upper management don't play nicely with others [not even with others like themselves] the CFO is just throwing you a bone when you bend over to pick it up he'll **** stab you, watch you self, I WAS LIKE YOU AND BEING A LOUDMOUTH WHISTLE BLOWER WILL GET YOU FIRED trust me. Just do what you do and do it well, turn the other cheek or find a new job. Only problem is everyplace is just like where you are now. This is new management thinking and it don't make any sense!!!
 
RustyRatRod said:
I have seen people matching your description all my life. Worried more about what others are doing. Worry about YOU and YOUR job, not anyone else's, especially a supervisor. Whenever I worked for somebody else, I went in, did my job my best and called it a day. The riff raff will usually always work itself out sooner or later. In short, mind your own business.
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Being a small business owner and scanning the thread quickly I was left with the same impression as RustyRatRod of the original poster. You could be the best thing since sliced bread but if you can't find nothing but fault and problems with the people and work around you. Your going to be looking for a job yourself no matter how good you are. It's hard being perfect:-D
 
Sounds like a typical day in the USPS. Would suggest one of two things....seek different employment or realize that, no matter what management tells you it is a load of crap...once you have convinced yourself of this go to work, put the blinders up and accept the fact that you are there to make money to put a roof over your head and ignore all the crap that they (management) are shoveling on you. Part of being able to survive being employed by the USPS was the acceptance that the craft folks were part of the mushroom theory....keep them n the dark, bury them with nothing but sh*t and expect them (craft employees) to prosper...
 
Back in Time said:
Exactly as it should be.
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Our industry does have a few slackers, now that i really think about it. The thing is that companies are NOT obligated to keep them working. Those individuals will be "sent back to the hall". And the dispatchers will send them to another company. (whichever company is asking for guys). Sometimes, however,especially if the industry is not busy, those individuals will end up on an unofficial no-hire list. (the company owners all know one another) and end up being "in the hall for a long time". The easiest ways to end up in this category is by being unreliable, (blowing shifts), or being a DOG F-ER. And I for one especially hate the fellas in the second category. But, as I said before, as union members, we can NOT be held accountable for other workers downfalls. So, each to his/her own perogative. i think we all hate lazy workers. By the way -20 temperatures seperate the men from the boys up here. (outdoor construction) EH !
 
zhandfull said:
Being a small business owner and scanning the thread quickly I was left with the same impression as RustyRatRod of the original poster. You could be the best thing since sliced bread but if you can't find nothing but fault and problems with the people and work around you. Your going to be looking for a job yourself no matter how good you are. It's hard being perfect:-D
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Maybe you should read the post more carefully then. The owner of the company is encouraging us to find and report these issues and problems because he's losing money out on these "problems."
The current supervisors aren't doing their jobs in helping so the point they're trying to get at is that they're hoping that "peer pressure" will push out the "slugs." So, we're told to report these "faults and problems." My supervisor is the one who was in the wrong. Thank you!:D

P.S. Read post #31
 
Sounds like you are "stuck between a rock, and a hard place", SRT8 Dart. I would just keep on more than pulling your own weight, and leave it at that. Work hard, and go home and enjoy the fruits of your labor. ( Home, family, cool Dodge.) I just mixed 2 Captain Morgans and Coke. One for me. One for you. (Still gonna drink BOTH of em' though) Eh.
 
Jason Cunningham said:
Sounds like you are "stuck between a rock, and a hard place", SRT8 Dart. I would just keep on more than pulling your own weight, and leave it at that. Work hard, and go home and enjoy the fruits of your labor. ( Home, family, cool Dodge.) I just mixed 2 Captain Morgans and Coke. One for me. One for you. (Still gonna drink BOTH of em' though) Eh.
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Thanks, lol

Oh, just to mention, the owner did attend my wedding 4yrs ago. That at least gives me some comfort. I've always been honest with him and he with me. He's not the kniving, go behind your back kinda guy. He'll tell you you Fu##%$ Up to your face and berate you in front of everyone....I don't think he's trying to lure people into shooting themselves in the foot.
 
64 SRT8 Dart said:
Maybe you should read the post more carefully then. The owner of the company is encouraging us to find and report these issues and problems because he's losing money out on these "problems."
The current supervisors aren't doing their jobs in helping so the point they're trying to get at is that they're hoping that "peer pressure" will push out the "slugs." So, we're told to report these "faults and problems." My supervisor is the one who was in the wrong. Thank you!:D

P.S. Read post #31
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There is many reasons a business can be losing money. It may or may not have anything to do with the slackers on the floor. Could be sales or estimators under bidding jobs. Could be purchasing overpaying for materials. Failure to accept and purchase new technology making the operations less efficient than others. The business may be burden with to much debt. Might be a combination of all these.

Anyways I read through the thread again.

There it is on the last paragraph of your eighth post in this thread #31 you finally said something positive about someone you work with. It was about one of your supervisors right before you bashed the others in the same paragraph.

I'm not discounting or disagreeing with anything your saying. Just pointing out there needs to be a balance. Nobody, even the owner wants to hear everything that's wrong all the time even when they ask. The situation is still in the early stages and can play out any number of ways. Hopefully if you demonstrate in addition to your bust *** work skills that you can accept responsibility, have the right attitude, respect others and communicate well. It sounds like this could play out in your favor and I hope it does.

On your way to the top just remember there is a real art to encouraging and keeping employees motivated and it played out with you at work. When you were called a company terrorist how did that feel? If you don't remember look at your early postings. Then the power of encouragement and praise form the CFO and your supervisor in the meetings later. How did that make you feel? Probably pretty good and rightfully so. You don't have to turn a blind eye to the wrongs, it's all about how you deal with them that counts in the end.
 
First, let me say that I'm very happy things are going better for the op.

Now to address this...

Jason Cunningham said:
Work better. Work Union. Union rep would make BOTH your Supervisor, and the Owner, **** themselves. Just sayin'..............
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Not so.

Over the last 50 years of my working life, I've been a top level manager, and a business owner. I've also been a Shop Steward, a union delegate, and a contract negotiator for both the union, and the company, at different times in my working career.

With that background, I can tell you this, without a doubt. There is nothing in any union contract that give the union employees, representative, or delegate any authority over, or within, the company, it's employees, or officers, whatsoever.

Here are some facts that are usually distorted by union employees and representatives. I know, I've been there, myself.
The union does not own the job, The company owns the job.
The union does not pay the employees, the company pays the employees.
The union does not supply the work load, the company does.
The union does not set production schedules, the company does.
The union does not higher or fire employees, the company does.
The union does not generate sales, the company does.
The union does not carry the load of the benefits package, the Company does.
The common misconception of the rank and file union employee (and I was one, once) is that the union has some sort of authority within the company. It does not.

A contract does not limit what a company can do in a unionized shop. It merely established a set of guide lines that both entities agree to, regarding collective bargaining, progressive discipline, The company still maintain absolute authority to set operating procedure, production levels, labor size, and policy.

There is also a common but false sense of job security held by union employees. Any good union rep will tell you that they can only save your job if you did not screw up.

Any employee can be fired, as long as the company follows the guidelines of progressive discipline. There are also a number of things a union employee can be fired for, "on the spot". The include, stealing, fighting on the job, making threats (against other employees, union or otherwise, against the company, it's property, and even the private property of employees, union or otherwise. Damages to any company or privte property while on company property. Reporting to work under the influence of alcohol or drugs (even prescription drugs, in some cases). For machine operators and drivers, drinking within 4 hours of reporting for work can make you a candidate for immediate termination of employ. Sabotage, or industrial espionage are other "immediate termination violations". And, what many union representatives won't tell you is that those things don't even need to be itemized in the contract.
And the union will not be able to save your job if you violate them.


...and yes, I realize that this has nothing to do with the topic, but, common misconceptions about unions get more employees in trouble than you can count.


If you like, I can even tell you ( a short story) how I busted a union at one of the companies I managed, with a trick that I learned while I was a union employee, some 18 years earlier.
 
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