yep, and when things get off topic, interest is lost, or tempers flare, then a staff member shuts the thread down... How about lets stick to bashing the new chally on this thread, huh??? Right back to the subject: Did you know that the Ford president lives in a trailer house? and that half the engineers are homeless? that is how dedicated they are to their fan base and customers. All the money goes into the best product, while making the mustang affordable. Why doesn't Dodge do it this way?? NO, we have a bunch of rich fat men, with cigars on golf courses, and every time someone buys a new chally, they buy another round of golf for these bozos..... Don't you see, they don't care about us. We are giving this ugly, underachieving thing that's suppose to make us happy called a challenger. :banghead: