Ron Francis wiring

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Would be GREAT to buy a kit like that Scott! BUT....broke azz as usual so Im going to reuse my connectors and rewire using bulk wire.
 
Would be GREAT to buy a kit like that Scott! BUT....broke azz as usual so Im going to reuse my connectors and rewire using bulk wire.
Needo,my original harness was spliced,burnt,repaired since I bought the car.Now since I,ve changed for racing and adding all electric pumps,plus the car is stripped for body/paint.It was time to replace all the wiring in the car.don,t need any unwanted sizzleing while doing over 120mph at the track.LOL.These guys are top notch!
 
No doubt it is a great move. I can't imagine how frustrated I would be if upon completion of my project I had to strip it down to do the wiring. Your doing it at the right time. Cars apart so why not! I'll just need to find a good supplier of wire in bulk that has reasonable prices(not Lordco).
 
Wanted to put my 2 cents into this conversation.
I have installed Painless systems on half a dozen fully restored cars and trucks and folks. IT AINT PAINLESS!!!!!

I have since then, Installed two dozen Ron Francis kits and the difference is striking, not to mention "PAINLESS" The wire is so well marked up and down the entire length of every wire as to where it goes. The wire is the best I have seen in any automotive or airplane install.
If you are going to sink all that money and time into your ride, don't you want to make sure it doesn't burn to the ground because of inferior wire, connectors, etc?
To top it off, the Ron Francis wiring kits for your MOPAR actually cost less than their nearest compediter with better materials, more options, it's custome made for your application, expandable, and on average you can install it in an afternoon or even shorter time. Whats there to discuss? Call Ron or send him an email. I promise, he will be in touch with you faster than the reseptionist will at their compeditors office will. It's a no brainer. I just purchased another kit from Ron and got it today. All the way across the country in 7 days. WOW! This one is going in my 67 Barracuda fastback. My son and I are restoring it for his senior project.
 
I bought a Ron Francis wiring kit over 30 years ago for a fiberglass T-bucket project I was working on. Absolutely no problems with it.
 
I have a brand new in the box ron francis kit that was in a 71 challenger I bought and since have sold,,what is one of these kits worth?? I have had it sitting on my shelf for a couple years and propably would part with it,
 
I'm with pettyblue,, After making my own,,,I wish I woulda called Ron...
 
Ron Francis is the only system which builds it for your car. He done one for my 64 Signet 25 years ago and to this day, have never had a problem...
 
i used ron francis for my dart

i believe i made my comments in my build thread and it was all positive

just my own stupidity that caused my issues.
 
Sorry OP for the hijack..

I am also in the market for a kit, looking at the ron francis, and american autowire...

I plan to run a EFI fuel pump, and electric fan. I know the american autowire has a spare fuse/realy for pump/fan

Any of you guys with the ron francis set up running these, can you easily adapt the fuse block or any of the "accesory" spots for this purpose? I dont need all the power window/locks whatever the kit comes with...

Also, for those that have done the kits, does it lay out clearly how to wire the ALT? I have heard most of these "kits" are meant for a 1 wire Chevy ALT, not a mopar style ext regulated one?

Thanks

JOE

Our EXPRESS kit has a fuse marked FUEL PUMP and another marked for the COOLING FAN. We also have spares for other additional accessories.
Hope this helps
Ron
 
Would be GREAT to buy a kit like that Scott! BUT....broke azz as usual so Im going to reuse my connectors and rewire using bulk wire.


Your idea to rewire with bulk wire will work great for now but when you need to troubleshoot i the future, our printed color coded wire is wonderful. Look at the wing as an insurance policy against fire and headaches. How many guys have you seen bent down lookin under the dash for a problem? One think I never wanted to do with my old cars was be stuck on the side of the road.

Fire wall connectors came into being about 1955 or so when the big three realized they were in need of a better way to add accessories to their vehicles yet not slow production time hand wiring the cars and trucks. The plastic connectors used first in the 1955 cars introduced a whole new way to assemble the car on the line without delays or mistakes. Since Hot Rods and Customs are not mass produced, my first thought is why use something that has little purpose if you are custom wiring the car.

Firewall connectors started off as simple 8-10 wire plugs located on each side of the firewall and allowed the engine to be pre-wired before it hit the line. Mistakes in this light we dramatically reduced. In the 1960s when accessories started drawing more juice, the firewall plug started to show more of its shortcomings. When ever you “un”wire a car for restoration, look at the wires and determine where the damage is. There will be some in the middle of a length of wire where some previous owner might have spliced something in. There will be some damage in the engine compartment where repair activity might have smashed a wire or damaged the insulation. Where is the worst? The burns, the melting? At the factory connectors and fire wall plugs

These firewall connectors have terminals made of brass and are pressed together with friction and held there by a plastic housing which is busy trying to hold up to 20 or 30 other wires in place. The result is three sources or trouble. One being the wire to the terminal, second the two terminals and third the other terminal to the last wire. The result is a clear source of trouble and proven by the melted housing. WIRE WORKS has learned from these indicators and manufacturers their harnesses with out the need for a connector. In a vehicle being wired one off the straight copper wire can produce up to 80 percent more current without the risk of failure.

Look at what made the original fail, look at age and technology of the fire wall plug AND the fuse box. Did the fuse box have some melted areas? Why put back the same technology that failed under less load than you intend to put it thru. Are you planning A/C? Power windows? Do you think the original fuses held up OK without these heavy options? Plan ahead and consider modern technology.


Thanks for listening
Ron
 
I want one.

Ron, I'll be calling.
I've got a feeling you are about to get busier.
 
my AAW kit has heavier wire then stock everywhere on it.


AAW got the idea to upgrade wire sizes from Us! I have been over-sizing wires since 1974. (gettin old) When you order we'll up-size the alternator beyond the 8 gage we use as a standard if need be. We'll supply up to 4 gage hot stamped (not laser printed) right on that and every wire.

Our XP-777 Mopar kit is most common one used for your guys cars. We ask you what alternator and build it for that. Not just for GM.
Hope this helps
Ron
 
AAW got the idea to upgrade wire sizes from Us! I have been over-sizing wires since 1974. (gettin old) When you order we'll up-size the alternator beyond the 8 gage we use as a standard if need be. We'll supply up to 4 gage hot stamped (not laser printed) right on that and every wire.

Our XP-777 Mopar kit is most common one used for your guys cars. We ask you what alternator and build it for that. Not just for GM.
Hope this helps
Ron


your original quote was.

We are the only ones that upgrade to the larger wires as you exceed the limits of the standard 12 and 10 gauge wires originally used on stock mopars.

no matter where AAW got the idea the fact is that you are not the only ones using larger upgraded wires as stated by yourself. :)
 
Ron,

I got your catalogue and cant wait till this fall to order your kit for my 65 Barracuda Formula S! Its been a project in action. First its been completely mechanically restored from front disc brakes and dual master cylinder to 8.25 rear end. Modern u joint drive shaft and a 318 motor that rocks. My next reality is rewiring the mess that's under the hood and under the dash. I did a painless kit in the past on a 66 cuda I used to drag race in street class it ran low 12's until an old man backed out of his driveway into it one day coming home from the track on a rainy afternoon. Anyway this project my new love runs great and drives nice just needs its final upgrades and electrical is next on the bucket list. I have your catalogue, will be contacting you late this summer after cruising season here in Chicagoland and my winter project will begin. I shall put her back in the garage and strip out the wires then the fun begins. I did not want to touch the mess under the hood as all the exterior lights work and it was not effecting the driving. I also have a mopar electronic ignition kit which gives it nice consistency also. Look forward to doing business with you this fall!

65Cudalover
 
Would be GREAT to buy a kit like that Scott! BUT....broke azz as usual so Im going to reuse my connectors and rewire using bulk wire.

Using bulk wire is not cheap if you use ALL the proper sizes and colors to make something beside a rats nest, you will spend more, still have the inhearent problems all Mopar jarness had and have no idea what wire goes where, IF you skimp on the wire and use the cheap shiny wire at the hardware store, it will probably burn up again.

Fire wall connectors came into being about 1955 or so when the big three realized they were in need of a better way to add accessories to their vehicles yet not slow production time hand wiring the cars and trucks. The plastic connectors used first in the 1955 GM cars introduced a whole new way to assemble the car on the line without delays or mistakes. Since Hot Rods and Customs are not mass produced, my first thought is why use something that has little purpose if you are custom wiring the car.

Firewall connectors started off as simple 8-10 wire plugs located on each side of the firewall and allowed the engine to be pre-wired before it hit the line. Mistakes in this light we dramatically reduced. In the 1960s when accessories started drawing more juice, the firewall plug started to show more of its shortcomings. When ever you “un”wire a car for restoration, look at the wires and determine where the damage is. There will be some in the middle of a length of wire where some previous owner might have spliced something in. There will be some damage in the engine compartment where repair activity might have smashed a wire or damaged the insulation. Where is the worst? The burns, the melting? At the factory connectors and fire wall plugs

These firewall connectors have terminals made of brass and are pressed together with friction and held there by a plastic housing which is busy trying to hold up to 20 or 30 other wires in place. The result is three sources or trouble. One being the wire to the terminal, second the two terminals and third the other terminal to the last wire. The result is a clear source of trouble and proven by the melted housing. WIRE WORKS has learned from these indicators and manufacturers their harnesses with out the need for a connector. In a vehicle being wired one off the straight copper wire can produce up to 80 percent more current without the risk of failure.

Brass can only carry 12-16% of the amperage the a similar sized copper terminal can carry. Copper of course is too soft for use in smaller applications. Between the loss of capacity and the other crimps and connections, certainly a straight piece of copper wire (times the number of circuits in the plug) can work for you much better.

We have to use connectors in some locations between switches and wires or other sensors and wires but why use them where we don’t have to? I started my career wiring cars with the 1960s Mopar vehicles that had firewall plugs that failed in use. I spent a lot of time splicing around the firewall connections to reconnect circuits. Reproduction harness have the wonderful points but I suggest to you that unless you are trying to “reproduce a factory vehicle, the connectors in the firewall need to be considered. IF you want to make a more reliable system eliminate that plug.

Look at what made the original fail, look at age and technology of the fire wall plug AND the fuse box. Did the fuse box have some melted areas? Why put back the same technology that failed under less load than you intend to put it thru. Are you planning A/C? Power windows? Do you think the original fuses held up OK without these heavy options? Plan ahead and consider modern technology.

Hope this helps
Ron
 
Do these harnesses come with the light sockets? All my sockets are 40 year sold and brittle....

Riddler
 
I rewired my '71 Duster with a Ron Francis Express kit. First I ordered his catalogue and was so impressed with all the information in it I was sold. Even though there was a cheaper kit I could have purchased. The kit was well laid out and was easy to install. The only thing I had to buy was male/female electrical connectors because I wanted no butt connectors or splices in the harness. My kit "did" come with light sockets. I would recommend their voltage regulator instead of using the factory piece. My lights do not go dim at idle like it did before. I installed the fuse box on the glove box door. Don't know why the pic is upside down.
 

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. I would recommend their voltage regulator instead of using the factory piece. My lights do not go dim at idle like it did before. .

This problem is rarely caused by a specific voltage regulator, except possibly by the older mechanical ones. There is no real advantage to a "Ron Francis" regulator. I believe these are in reality either a GM or Ferd regulator
 
Anyone use this? I emailed them and they recommended a harness for my dart, just curious if anyone has rave reviews for them?

Our catalog is filled with reviews on the harnesses. We have been the leader in QUALITY products for nearly 40years.
 
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