to everyone else...I think the best way since I don't have a tape on the car that will allow me to time this past 10 deg advance is to borrow a digital timing light on it and start somewhere between 14 and 17 deg advance (as rustyratrod said) and adjusting it forward or back depending on whether it pops back thru the exhaust or pings when advanced but I have tried this method without the help of a timing light just by hand and I am afraid that this problem will not go away by a simple timing adjustment and if so what could the problem be?????