426 Hemi

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Leadfoot said:
Not really ever been a Hemi fan. Nor a big block fan for that matter.
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I think that it's understood that it's in bad taste for liberals to even own cars and if they do and if it's a Mopar, it's a 250,000 mile /6 with a dirty carb and a plug wire off.

Oh, the ones in the capitol (Hilliary's bunch) have to ride in a chauffeured livery once in a while but usually prefer a complimentary helicopter. They feel, however, that the rest of us should ride bicycles.
 
Spun Bearing said:
I think that it's understood that it's in bad taste for liberals to even own cars and if they do and if it's a Mopar, it's a 250,000 mile /6 with a dirty carb and a plug wire off.

Oh, the ones in the capitol (Hilliary's bunch) have to ride in a chauffeured livery once in a while but usually prefer a complimentary helicopter. They feel, however, that the rest of us should ride bicycles.
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Good Analysis,

 
moper said:
Nothing is the same on any of the race examples now except the name and the records fall because they loosen the definition of "acceptible" or someone finds a way to incorporate more modern technology in parts or machining accuracy. They were cool for their time - but sorry - a Honda VTec makes them look like a dinosaur in hp/in and even back then a well tuned wedge could outrun them and certainly was more driveable on the street. In terms of cost there's no justification for them besides the aura. I've always been a mopar guy, but really the Gen II Hemi is not the be-all-end-all of engines. Simply a cool approach to solving airflow problems "back in the day".

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That Honda need a Hemi in it!
 
My early 70s hemi. Ultimate for me.
 

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I put the hard to find parts on my watch list on eBay. They eventually show up. Took some time though. I also ran down every Hemi lead I came across looking for the old direct connection parts from the early 70s catalog.
I have seen 4 of the distributors over the years. A dual head magneto drive is easier to find
and much cheaper way to go. I just made it harder on myself by wanting to use only parts available thru DC. Carbs to pan. But I wanted every part to be authentic and vintage.
BTW If anyone has a 65 race Hemi aluminum thermostat housing and lower alternator adjusting bracket I am still looking for those to have the final parts to complete this engine.
 
Had lots of time to clean and polish up the old parts while waiting on the next needed part to turn up somewhere.
 
While I agree that there is nothing as breathtaking as a 426, for me the sheer cost of the motor and the cost of all the go fast parts make it unappealing. I can buy a long block 426 for what I have in the purchase of my car, built 408, built 200R4, Dana 60, and all the accessories I put into it.
 
426 Hemi

Where real men live. Not for the 'faint-hearted' and small-block High-Rev Masters.

Don Grotheer,

"I just couldn't live with myself if I went down to a Small-Block. It would be like
telling Sonny Liston to stop throwing hard punches."
 
69 Cuda 440 said:
Don Grotheer,
"I just couldn't live with myself if I went down to a Small-Block. It would be like
telling Sonny Liston to stop throwing hard punches."
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Sonny Liston's biggest fights involved losing to a smaller fighter, so that might not be a good analogy:D
 
95teetee said:
Sonny Liston's biggest fights involved losing to a smaller fighter, so that might not be a good analogy:D
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Cassius Clay was 'taller' than Sonny.

Cassius Clay ......... 6' 2 3/4"
Sonny Liston ......... 6' 0 1/2"

We're talking about only a few pounds in 1964 {1st Bout}, and 1965 {The 'Dive'} in Lewiston, Maine".

Yes, both Marty Marshall {1956} and Leotis Martin {1969} were smaller
than 'Sonny Boy'.
 
Ultimate? sure was in the day. This one is in my 66 charger, MT:burnout:
 

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I'm not real sure about this one. I would honestly give a kidney for a second gen hemi but there are some other very very very impressive motors out there. Some were very early and some are very recent. The first v8 for example I might consider the ultimate motor. Or any one of the tiny v6 engines formula 1 is using. It would be very tough for me to say which is the ultimate engine.
 
If you stay clear of new and the very rare parts it is not as costly as many think.
Most of the parts I bought are outdated and not used or wanted by most racers today.
I wanted a vintage race engine.
I got the entire rotating assembly, Kellogg crank, nascar rods and TRW pistons for less than the price of a new scat 360 stroker crank. Nobody buys these old heavy parts at the swap meets.

The 68 block was expensive and new would have been slightly cheaper. I passed on many cheaper blocks that had welded repairs done to them. I wanted a nice original and had to pay the price.
Dual head distributor was very stupid money also but any RB distributor would work just as well and been cheap.
Used heads and rockers were about the price of a new single aluminum hemi head and came off a running race engine from Fred Hurst at the indy swap meet. Bought them on the last day of the swap. They were covered in oil and many layers of paint from over the years. These have stock exhaust location that makes them fit in an a body same as the original iron heads. I found they are stamped Sox and Martin when I got all the layers of paint off them. Old dual plug pro stock heads cast in 1971. Bottom layer of paint was Jake Kings blue. Didn't know what I had till I got them home and cleaned them up. Score.
Take off valve covers like I used go for around 250. Dirty but undamaged.
Tunnel ram and carbs was a bit over 1000. all together. The vintage dominators were 80% of that cost. Used modern dominators can be had much cheaper.
Used headers 100. Ebay find. Has some dents put in them during a past install.
Everything else basically interchanges with the 440 so prices are similar and easy to find
reasonably priced used like any old Mopar v8.
Used Hemi cams are everywhere and they can't seem to give them away at swaps. I have collected a good selection of crane rollers and some old mushroom tappet stuff.
The small nickel and dime stuff adds up quick I'll admit. 16 plugs, tubes, wires and boots, caps ect. engine mounts, valve cover breathers and other restoration repop parts are all over priced like normal. It did seem to never end for awhile.
Overall if it wasn't for the block and that crazy distributor it ended up being comparable
to the cost of a 440 build in my case. I could have done it cheaper if I had wanted to by using more commonly found parts. It will never be competitive in the Hemi shootout by a long shot
but will make more power for less money than a crate Hemi.
I say if you want a Hemi and have more time than money pick up a part when you can.
In time you will have it.
 
But im with RRR on the 383. I would like to put on of theses into a early a body. A VERY good engine. underated. MT
 
I own a 383 and I agree with Rob, BUT I'd LOVE to have a 426 Hemi in my truck.... just the rumble, sound, and the sight with the hood up be KILLER yes..... HEMI is king! Expensive damn right, but if thats what ya want, thats what ya gotta pay.....

The stimulation is NOT "free".....

BUT those who mentioned a race between 2 '64 Dodge 330's one with a 426 Max-Wedge, STOCK and a '64 Dodge 330 with a 426 Hem in it, STOCK, would be KILLER, it be a damned close race! (BOTH were great engines even having the same C.I.D., they both were built to haul ***................quickly!
 
67 Power Wagon said:
I own a 383 and I agree with Rob, BUT I'd LOVE to have a 426 Hemi in my truck.... just the rumble, sound, and the sight with the hood up be KILLER yes..... HEMI is king! Expensive damn right, but if thats what ya want, thats what ya gotta pay.....

The stimulation is NOT "free".....

BUT those who mentioned a race between 2 '64 Dodge 330's one with a 426 Max-Wedge, STOCK and a '64 Dodge 330 with a 426 Hem in it, STOCK, would be KILLER, it be a damned close race! (BOTH were great engines even having the same C.I.D., they both were built to haul ***................quickly!
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Ill race my restored 66 hemi charger against a max wedge if some one can set it up! MT:burnout:
 
thanks ssba,i have a hemi block,a weiand tunnel ram with 4500 top,and a-body hooker hemi headers,i want to put a hemi in the dart next year,kinda like a nostaligia pro stock thing,so looking for heads that wont break the bank,i can buy a rotating assy,cam and other parts,i have a msd distributor,just looking for heads,hemifred on moparts have a lot of stuff I belive like those dual cap distributor but him mail box is full over there
 
Mopar Tim said:
Ill race my restored 66 hemi charger against a max wedge if some one can set it up! MT:burnout:
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Tim,
I'd LOVE to see the race, but identical cars....... onewith a 426 Hemi, STOCK, and the other with a 426 Max-Wedge, STOCK is what I'd LOVE to see, just to see which is quicker as they are the same block really......... Just the Hemi is a bit heavier made then the Wedge, with different valve train and heads..... MUST have the same intake, so Max-Wedge with HI RPM Cross-Ram, well as the 426 Hemi.....

Equals I'm saying, equally built, just for the nostalgia :burnout:!
 
Yes my 426 hemi is as built stock. Duel quads. It is in a heavy *** car tho. 66 Charger! MT
 
440outlawdart said:
thanks ssba,i have a hemi block,a weiand tunnel ram with 4500 top,and a-body hooker hemi headers,i want to put a hemi in the dart next year,kinda like a nostaligia pro stock thing,so looking for heads that wont break the bank,i can buy a rotating assy,cam and other parts,i have a msd distributor,just looking for heads,hemifred on moparts have a lot of stuff I belive like those dual cap distributor but him mail box is full over there
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I say do it a Hemi in your car will be lots of fun. I will say this though there is not much room in there once its done.
 

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