RustyRatrrod youre answer was exactly what I was looking for. thank you. im a newbie on engine stuff and especially big block stuff and have been trying to educate myself as much as possible. the above answer was the only one I got in two days and tells me absolutely nothing to help me learn. I had no idea if I should of asked the question in a different forum or not. I kind of thought this was a site where there were many experts and car lovers wanting to share and grow their passion and knowledge for Mopars but sadly I am finding an awful lot of folks who can barely contain their contempt for those less knowledgeable than themselves. they seem to only be on here to dump on those who would dare to ask a question that obviously anybody should know the answer to and to lord their knowledge over us dumbasses.