What Oil Filter to use

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PH43 is the right fram filter, Ph8a is a Phord filter , but will work on alot of Mopar applications , I know i cannot get a Ph8a on my 73 Dart Sport 340 , not enough room.
 
Wonder why Fram sucks . I sold them for almost 20 years , and still use them today , not easy to get here where i live now , but never ever had an issue with fram .I was able to buy them at Walmart , but last time i went thet were selling Purolator.
 
Fram is just not constructed as well as many other brands, I used to use them before I looked into it. I figure why take a chance to save a couple bucks. Sometimes I use mobil1, purolater or k&n.
 
Yes many of Fram oil filter line seem to have had issues over the years ranging from outright failure (QC related and perhaps resolved) to just not as well built (materials and design) as some other options.

If you haven't seen, one of the oldest on the web looks at the insides is this one:
http://www.minimopar.net/oilfilters/index.html

When this question came up on speedtalk's forum, this pretty recent thread on yellowbullet was posted. It's really good. But a warning to those who have not been at this forum - its not exactly work safe or a place for kids. The thread itself is fairly tame and informative - unforrtunately the meat of it is spread out over 11 pages.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=420509&page=1
 
EmersonC said:
So Im sure this sounds dumb, but I am having trouble findin the right oil filter. According to O'Rielys I need to use the Fram PH8A. But this looks too short and the circumfrance is much larger than the one I have on my car already. Im thinking it looks more like the Fram HP1. They dont look interchangable, but maybe they are?
This is my daily driver so I dont want to take the oil out remove the filter and then hope that I can find the new filter around town.

BTW
1966 dodge dart 273. I dont think it was origionally a 273 (per VIN #) so the engine could be a different year, but that shouldnt matter right???
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Emerson,
I am the technical manager at FRAM. The PH8A and the HP1 are interchangable. That said, do not run a racing filter on the street unless you are running oil pressure in excess of 100psi and changing you oil every two weeks. Racing filters are made for high flow and frequent changes. They are 60-70% efficiency, FRAM TG and Ultra are 99% efficiency. And the guy posting pictures? What are you trying to convey? That a "steel" end cap makes the filter do a better job of cleaning your oil? I gues Toyota would disagree with Ya'all:D
 

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I run WIX 51085 on my 273 with 90 degree adapter.
 
I have been using Fram filters for many many years and have not had one issue with them. I use them on my every day vehicles and on my 2 past muscle cars including my current one. I'm using the TG16 shorty fram.. Everyone has their preference and mine is with Fram...
 
.......................My factory stock 69 super bee 383 pushed the can off of a ph8a fram in 1983...............wix or hastings ever since........the odd time I use factory mopar filters.........kim.......
 
i had the insides of a fram collapse on my Dakota going down the expressway. pretty much cut the oil pressure to nothing. didn't do the engine any good. i actually had a guy i work with offer to give me two frams for my F150 after he got rid of his. i politely declined.

been using wix or napa golds on most of my stuff. i run a K&N on the hemi, it turns 7200 and i've done a couple bearing checks on it and it always looks great.
 
Got around to it yesterday. Napa fold 1515 did not fit. It was too long. The torsion bar was in the way. But the shorter 1085 worked just fine.
 
wish the 1515 fit my 360 but it wont thread because the torsion bar blocks it. Would be nice to have a little extra oil capacity in the summer.
 
I cannot speak well of Fram. Both on one of my cars and many customers cars all through the 80s and 90s I cut several apart to find what looked like toilet paper rolls for filter media. I won't use a Fram. I like WIX.
 
the mopar filter is rated justy a little bit higher than wix sumtin to do with the pleats and media and ppm of certen forgien matter i will see if i can find it
 
Once I figured out that almost all of them were made by two or three companies I stopped caring. Every one is different from the next. They do that to make it impossible to pick one. What you gain with one you lose with another. That's it. I have used Fram for hundreds of thousands of miles. Over a million. I use Wix, Mopar, NAPA, each is a little different than the other. Don't use a race filter as was already stated. A filter that has turned to dust sitting on your shelf for twenty years will fail no matter who made it. I have some AC Delco just for decorations. There certainly are filter failures, but most would know it instantly. The failures I have seen deal with filters with two gaskets or filters that are too tight and become distorted. Easy to do. Not a filter failure though...installer failure.

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=197837&highlight=oil

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=54901&highlight=oil+filter

Here is what I posted in 2009...

I think filters drain back so when you start them cold you don't blow them up. Also when the oil is thick on start up, it will bypass the filter till it warms up and thins a little bit.
Also, the number of pleats can be anywhere from 35 or so all the way to over 60. It means almost nothing, untill they start to get too many pleats and they start to pack them into the cannister too tight. Every corner of a pleat really can't pass much oil. What counts is the width and length of the filter and its compostion, which could be paper or synthetic or a combination of both. This makes it difficult to compare them.
Some filters have thicker sides than others, and some have thicker bases than others. I am unaware of any filter that has both a thicker side and thicker base. They run within 2 or 3 thousanths of an inch anyway.
Some other things that need to be considered:
Length
Outside and inside diameter
End cap type
Bypass valve type
Anti-drainback valve type
Element types
Gasket types
Hydrostatic burst pressure
Filtration efficiency
Might as well throw price in the mix also
Some things are obvious when looking at a pic, but not every thing.
One thing is certain, most of them are all made by the same two or three companies, they all meet manufacturers specs, and they all sacrifice one thing or another in order to gain the upper hand and still be competitive.
 
I have always used Fram , and had a load of Mopar cars and never has an issue . I use a PH43 on my Dart, and also a fram on my Kia daily driver..
 
Used to use Fram , no more , they are built with cardboard and toilet paper , no longer trust them . Use Wix on most my cars , the Dart gets Mobil 1 or K&N , whichever I find a deal on as they are the same filter , except for the nut on the end of the K&N filter .
 
They used to make filters that would take tp as a replacement filter. You could connect them together and stack them. Probably a great filter media, just messy. I don't know much more about them. Can't even recall the manufacturer. Never used one myself.
 
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