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I'm looking for oil pan dimensions for aftermarket and factory 3rd gen hemi pans. The main dimensions I am interested is the depth from the pan rail at the front where my power steering rack will be and the total depth of the sump or lowest point. I only have about 1.75-2" room between the rack and block. Tincup used a Canton oil pan that so far as I know is discontinued and the Milodon didn't fit his, nor did the Charlies. I've been considering the truck or jeep pan but am concerned about their total depth for ground clearance. Additionally, does anybody offhand happen to know what that rod above the rack that crosses between the steering boots is for? I'm contemplating whether or not I could bend a new one to go down around the side before crossing to gain some more clearance, not sure as to it's function though.

I appreciate the help,
Ryan
 

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What year is your car? What front suspension are you using?

The Milodon pan fit mine OK on a '69 Cuda with the 6.1 Hemi and AlterKtion front suspension.

That tube is an air equalizer between the rubber boots on each end of the rack. You can rotate the rubber boots to rotate that tube out of the way.

Jim
 

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I have a 2008 5.7 truck hemi, with the stock truck pan and a HDK K member. the front of the pan over the steering rack is approximately 1 3/4 - 2 inches deep from engine block and gets a little deep closer to the rear sump area. The rear sump at its deepest point of the oil drain plug area is approximately 8 inches and the rear sump starts approximately 10 inches from the face of the rear of the block at the transmission. My camera skills area not that great. Not sure why the pictures are at 90 deg. On my computer they are not
 

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RealWing said:
What year is your car? What front suspension are you using?

The Milodon pan fit mine OK on a '69 Cuda with the 6.1 Hemi and AlterKtion front suspension.

That tube is an air equalizer between the rubber boots on each end of the rack. You can rotate the rubber boots to rotate that tube out of the way.

Jim
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Jim,

It's a 1966 Dart, Alterk front suspension. I know the Milodon pan tends to fit the B and E bodies and even the later A bodies, for whatever reason, the engine appears to sit lower in our early A's. Thanks for the tip on that tube, I figured it must've been something like that, didn't seem to make sense being much anything else. Great to know I can rotate it down, that will give me at least an extra 1/2" I'd imagine.

Canadian Cuda said:
I have a 2008 5.7 truck hemi, with the stock truck pan and a HDK K member. the front of the pan over the steering rack is approximately 1 3/4 - 2 inches deep from engine block and gets a little deep closer to the rear sump area. The rear sump at its deepest point of the oil drain plug area is approximately 8 inches and the rear sump starts approximately 10 inches from the face of the rear of the block at the transmission. My camera skills area not that great. Not sure why the pictures are at 90 deg. On my computer they are not
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Canadian Cuda,

I have the same problem with pictures being sideways. All told, you're awesome. Those pictures were everything I needed for the truck pan. With rotating the "steering boot equalizer tube" (sounds like an engineer named it right?) down I think I should have plenty of room to run the truck pan. It looks to be at most 7" deep in the back which is much shallower than I expected and I'm pleased to see that. That shouldn't put my ground clearance any worse than what my trans pan will be and I've contemplated the idea of adapting some sort of skid plate off a modern car as well. I'll have to do some more measurements but at this point I'm definitely leaning towards the truck pan as they're under $100 new online. I do have to consider the lack of baffling though since I might do some autocross style events in this car.
 
Ryan
Did you call Bill Reilly to see what he thinks? If not, suggest you do. He was a great help in getting the PS rack installed in my Cuda because it was a very tight fit.
Jim
 
RealWing said:
Ryan
Did you call Bill Reilly to see what he thinks? If not, suggest you do. He was a great help in getting the PS rack installed in my Cuda because it was a very tight fit.
Jim
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No Jim, I haven't talked to Bill recently. I know the Milodon pan is supposed to fit our early a bodies but it didn't fit (pan was resting on the rack with no gasket) in Tincup's build with a manual rack which is even smaller than the power rack of course. I am curious how deep the Milodon pan is at the rack mount as I really like the new road race milodon pan. Baffles, traps and an extra quart of oil capacity as well as only being 5.5" deep. Any chance somebody with a Milodon pan could take that measurement for me?

Thanks,
Ryan
 
First question is if you need a front, centre or rear sump location?
 
Joe Dokes said:
Was going to suggest the Canton Pan, did not realize it was discontinued. :(
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Yeah, I'll admit it's second hand knowledge from another member on this website but to be honest I don't admire that pan all that much as is. It's a basic aluminum square that isn't even trimmed to match the pan rail. It just looks cheaply thought out when you consider it's $500+ for an oil pan. The road race milodon pan is the same price and has extended capacity, baffling with trap doors, etc. Granted, pretty much every piece of this swap is priced like it's made of titanium and manufactured in Germany.

HardVG said:
First question is if you need a front, centre or rear sump location?
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Well, obviously a front sump is of no use to me with the rack allowing less than 2.5" of depth up front. The Alterktion suspension puts me in the position of being able to run a mid or rear sump with it being a front steer system. With the engine having a natural downward tilt, I figure a mid sump is the best for clearance and I have about 5.5" worth of room to be even with the rack mounts and hopefully leaving me 5" total ground clearance. My trans pan will be another story, still wondering how I'm going to make that work when everyone suggests deep pans on the 200-4R's. Another problem for another day!

-Ryan
 
You might look at Milodon 31002, it's for truck applications so rear sump, total depth it 5.5" and I believe the front section is 2.875".

http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/mil-31002/overview/

I've been looking for something similar, but I'm in much the same boat, I need a rear sump oil pan with a very shallow front section and I think the only option is going to be to make one..
 
I also have one of the Jeep oil pans, but it would need to be modified extensively, total about 7.5", I can take other measurements if you are interested.

 
HardVG said:
You might look at Milodon 31002, it's for truck applications so rear sump, total depth it 5.5" and I believe the front section is 2.875".

http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/mil-31002/overview/

I've been looking for something similar, but I'm in much the same boat, I need a rear sump oil pan with a very shallow front section and I think the only option is going to be to make one..
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HardVG said:
I also have one of the Jeep oil pans, but it would need to be modified extensively, total about 7.5", I can take other measurements if you are interested.
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I had considered the jeep pan before. If I had to run a rear sump I think the steel truck pan looks slightly shallower in the back (probably just my eyes) and is cheaper as well as probably weighs less than the big cast monster that jeep pan is. However, I'm still hoping someone can get me the measurement of the milodon pan at the front, the depth around where the steering rack would be. Then I can know for sure if I just need to move on or if it's worth pursuing. I'm thinking if it's anywhere close to 2.5" or less, it's may just be doable.
 
It just might be doable!!!! My distance from the bottom of the block to the bottom of the pan at the front was 2-3/8"
Jim
 
RealWing said:
It just might be doable!!!! My distance from the bottom of the block to the bottom of the pan at the front was 2-3/8"
Jim
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Jim,

Is that at the very front? I know that the pan angles down as it travels back to the center sump and I'm just wondering how deep it is a little further back where the rack is actually at, maybe even how deep it is when it hits the sump.

Thanks again,
Ryan
 
MoparPowa if you want another option Hemi Denny has a post on here somewhere where he modified a mid sump pan I think with a section of exhaust pipe to make room for the rack if I remember correctly. I have looked through some of the suspension posts looking for it but have yet to locate it. I will try looking later for it but if you PM Hemy Denny he is a straight up guy and he will let you know about his pan mod.
 
MoparPowa said:
Jim,

Is that at the very front? I know that the pan angles down as it travels back to the center sump and I'm just wondering how deep it is a little further back where the rack is actually at, maybe even how deep it is when it hits the sump.

Thanks again,
Ryan
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Hi Ryan

Yes - that was at the front. I got back under the car again and measured it right above the rack. It was not very easy to get a good measurement - I finally put a straightedge along the bottom of the pan, but as near as I can make out - it is 2-3/4" back there.
Jim
 
Found the modified Milodon pan post. From the picture it would appear that the Milodon pan may also be too deep for the clearance issue that your concerned about with your rack. Sorry

Old Man Mopar said:
Gen III Hemi installs can benefit from this Milodon Oil Pan mod which
allows you to move the steering rack back to optimize steering geometry.

Performed by inserting a 2-1/2 O.D. piece of exhaust tubing, you can
use this method to create the desired clearance on this oil pan application
in your home shop or at your local fabricator.

Denny will be happy to have your pan modified or he can supply a brand
new Milodon pan already modified for $130.00 + the cost of the pan.

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