#3 plug arcing at its base where it screws into the head....

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First a short background on the leading up to the issue at hand...... So Jake picked up and dragged home a 96 Ram 1500 extended cab 4x4 for next to nothing because the previous owner has been messing with a no-start issue for almost a year and is mad at it. The truck has 153k miles on its 360, only 2 rust spots the size of a 1/2 dollar, the trans was rebuilt 3 years ago and the interior is dang near perfect. He was going to just part it out, but we couldn't stand not knowing why it wont start.

Doing a visual under the hood, we see that the coil's case is split open on the top and down the back side. The coil hangs off a bracket on the front of the right head. I just happen to have a spare for the Durango, so we try it- Different plug..... Booger-rig a couple of connectors just to test it out and SHAZZAM - The truck starts right up and has great oil pressure, no engine noise and goes in and out of gear.. $34 later for a new coil and he's in business... ...

However, there is an annoying "spark jumping to something on the left side of the engine" sound, and a miss..... The PO had put plugs/wires/cap/rotor on it, among a few other odds and ends, so I'm thinking cheap plug wires.... By now it is dark out, so I have him start it back up so we can look for the source of arcing. I figured it'd be a lot easier to see in the dark, as opposed to feeling around or swapping out plug wires before we tested them.

Well, it was easy enough to see - #3 plug, where it goes into the head looks like Ft McHenry on the 4th of July. No problem - gotta be a loose or cracked porcelain part of the plug....NOT! The PO has cross-threaded the plug. It wont go any farther. It seems to only come about half way back out. Score one for Murphy and his dang law!

Never dealing with a cross-threaded plug before, how screwed are we likely to be? What are the chances the plug comes out with messed up threads and the threads in the head will be fine???? What's the chances the PO cracked the plug at the top of it's threads, and when it binds up at about the half way out point, will it break off leaving the cross-threaded base in the head? Is the head going to have to come off?
 
You won't know till you get it out. I think the plug is a softer alloy then the head. I picked up a plug thread chase a while ago, they are worth their weight in gold! I think you'll be ok , the chase cleaned up the threads on my head.
 
Get the plug out and retap the head. You can get a plug tap most anywhere. Fill the tap flutes with wheel bearing grease and you won't drop any chips into the cylinder. They will fall into the grease like a magnet. Problem solved.
 
a buddy of mine offered a chaser up that I didn't know he had.... I hope to have time to get to it by Thursday evening. And roger that on the grease tip!
 
When backing that old plug out, go half a turn, blow it out with air, another half turn, blow it out with air, and so on. That way. you stand a better chance of not getting any chips into the cylinder from the cross threaded plug.

Good luck with it. It's a simple repair. You can do it.
 
Well, RRR covered how to tap pretty well!

The arcing is a bad plug wire.
 
If the threads are found to be really screwed after removing plug and chasing them, you can get a Heli-coil kit for it to save the head. Like said before, make sure to blow out any filings.
 
Bad plug, bad coil, and bad wire. What else did this guy touch? I would go over that truck with a fine tooth comb. Pay special attention to the trans as he may have did that job too.
 
If it is arcing at the spark plug base the wire is doing its job....... Resistance is futile and the plug must assimilate! ;)
 
Yup sounds like he sure knows how to tap one out. lol

I have told and told and told yall, all my experience is from f&!kin stuff up. I cannot make myself any more clear. LOL
 
When you do get it fixed, make sure to use dielectric grease piled up in the plug boots. This will seal the connections electrically and stop leaking current.
 
I have told and told and told yall, all my experience is from f&!kin stuff up. I cannot make myself any more clear. LOL

One can learn a lot from doing things wrong and having to fix it.
I'd pull the head and fix the threads if I had any intention of keeping that motor, as I personally think it's way to risky for someone who has never done this before to try it.

He'll end up with a big score in a cylinder wall from one little mistake, or have to replace the head anyway from a failed rethread attempt because of the screwy angles.
I know for a fact that the grease works for retaining the metal cut by the thread tool, but I'd still be in there with a magnet afterwards no matter what.


You can tell me to shut up now. :D
 
If I had to guess, and I do, I would speculate that when BackYard Bob screwed the spark plug in cockeyed it has been that way since Herbert Hoover was president. The plug gap can now probably be measured with a yardstick. Consequently, the voltage required to jump a spark from the plug wire to the cylinder head is less that than the voltage required to fire a spark across a two-foot spark plug gap under compression pressure. That plug probably has a nice fat carbon track down the side of it, thus, errant sparkage.

I reserve the right to be full of sludge.
 
Soak the plug with alot of Aero-Kroil before tempting to remove it.
This will give it some lubricant, and loosen any carbon that is around the threads.
Do this for several days ahead of attempting to remove the plug, and spray some on it every day.
 
Update... only had 5 min to play with it today. So all I did was prove the plug wire is good by swapping #1 for #3. With that, #3 still arcs at the base of the plug. Hope to muscle the bad plug out tomorrow.
 
Better yet, the episode with the fronts halves of 2 K-car's duct-taped together back to back...!
 
I have told and told and told yall, all my experience is from f&!kin stuff up. I cannot make myself any more clear. LOL

Me too, 'cept I can't remember 'em all. this means some of 'em happened over and over!!!
 
Meanwhile, back on the farm...... got the plug out. Source of the arcing at the base can be seen here in the pic - cracked porCilla at the base. This is the only autolite plug 8n it. The other 7 are a lot newer looking champions.
 

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So my guess is the last tune up it cross threaded on the way in and the current owner broke it trying to get it out.
 
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