Should there be a law

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NO! There should not be a law!
My thoughts even tho they may not matter to anyone. The owner of any automobile is just that, The owner. He or she can do what ever makes them happy.
I find that any car is just part of a mechanical build. When I see a brand that has been changed to use something other then what can from a factory I check out how the persons engineering and mechanical skills were put to use. Its interesting how it was done and if you look at it with an open mind you would even pick up some pointers for something you may do somewhere down the road.
Now dont get me wrong, My Dodge will be all Dodge, Although I almost went with a 7004R trans but decided to stay with a 904 instead. My Corvette is all Chevrolet. Yep Chevrolet shares a spot right beside my Dodge. When I look at them I see a body formed around lots of parts that have been made outside of a Dodge and Chevrolet plant.
So again, no there should not be a law. Open your mind to something different! Enjoy the hobby!
Rod
 
I guess I struck a nerve with some of y'all. Chill out and if ya read the post nobody is narrow minded. I'll explain. I've owned them all, Model T, High boy , Malibu, Impala SS, Turbo Ellipse and a bunch of others. Like I said in the OP, it's theirs and they can do what they want to with it. I've always believed that it's your car do what you want to. Yes its about enjoying the hobby regardless of the make. I enjoy looking at any kind of American muscle. I was speaking from the point of a restoration not a street rod. I'm just saying after all the expense of restoring a Mopar, it seems unfinished to me not to be Chrysler powered. It's usually old Mopars, whether a 35 Coupe or 41 Dr. Special RESTORED By a Chevy guy, gets a Chevy drivetrain. That was the tongue in cheek point I was conveying. Happy motoring.
 
I guess I struck a nerve with some of y'all. Chill out and if ya read the post nobody is narrow minded. I'll explain. I've owned them all, Model T, High boy , Malibu, Impala SS, Turbo Ellipse and a bunch of others. Like I said in the OP, it's theirs and they can do what they want to with it. I've always believed that it's your car do what you want to. Yes its about enjoying the hobby regardless of the make. I enjoy looking at any kind of American muscle. I was speaking from the point of a restoration not a street rod. I'm just saying after all the expense of restoring a Mopar, it seems unfinished to me not to be Chrysler powered. It's usually old Mopars, whether a 35 Coupe or 41 Dr. Special RESTORED By a Chevy guy, gets a Chevy drivetrain. That was the tongue in cheek point I was conveying. Happy motoring.

You're always gonna touch a nerve with this. And it goes both ways. The purists will be just as upset. Just not as many have chimed in on this thread. Piss of a Chevy guy and put a 392 Hemi in a tri-50's Chevy. Most of 'em will blow a top.

To me, the idea of "build what you've got" isn't truly valid. I've known too many of these guys who've come across a cheap body in decent shape who haven't got just something laying around. They'll go to the local u-pull it and grab the first low mileage 350 they come across. At that point, they're spending the same money for the 350 as they would for a 360, LA or Magnum. Or, if they're building a Ford body, a 351 out of a late 80's Ford pick up.

When asked "why," what I normally hear is "well, all the hot rodders are doing it."

Okay, to me that's not hot rodding, that's letting someone else do your thinking for you. Hot rodding is daring to be different. Build something unique, something that will stand out, something that no one else has the balls to do. Most "hot rodders" thinks this means a paint job no one else has.

I've never understood the idea that you'll take a body, put thousands into the body and paint work, thousands more in the interior, even more into the chassis and then go cheap on the drivetrain. All in the name of "everyone else does it."

And then to turn around and put it on craigslist? Okay, I guess putting a motor in a fat fendered era car will bring out the folks just like you who have no imagination and will sell, but when you get into the more modern era, say something from the 50's or 60's or 70's you're putting a limit on your buyers. Most fans of those breeds of car are gonna rip the Chevy motor out of it and go with a corporate engine. At that point you've just wasted your time and energy in putting an engine in at as you're not going to get the extra money out of it for being a runner as if you'd just left it alone as a rolling project car.
 
When I see a Mopar, or Ford with a chevy in it, I just mutter to myself, and keep walking. There's no hot rodding to sticking the cheapest engine you can find in your car. Hot rodding is being innovative. Not imitative. I see it as meeting a hot chick, taking her home, getting naked, and finding a big ***** hanging off of her. Not what I was hoping to see. If I owned a chevy, I wouldn't put a different brand engine in it either.
 
when i run across a brand loyalist ill walk right past him and talk to the crossbreader. why? cuz he isnt a jackass or high and mighty about his "brand" he took an oath to. i personally dont like restored original cars. they bore me, look plain, dont get used like it should and never sees weather beyond clear sunny days. i have no patience for that kind of mind set. i want a fake boobed gussied up slutty girl i can beat on without a worry. take that stock fat girl home so we font have to see or hear about how great she is for you.
 
Wow . you just insulted a large portion of the people on this site. In case you didn't notice, this is a Mopar site. Maybe you should find a site that caters to turbo cars, or anything with an ls motor.
 
... I was speaking from the point of a restoration not a street rod. I'm just saying after all the expense of restoring a Mopar, it seems unfinished to me not to be Chrysler powered. It's usually old Mopars, whether a 35 Coupe or 41 Dr. Special RESTORED By a Chevy guy, gets a Chevy drivetrain. That was the tongue in cheek point I was conveying. Happy motoring.

If a car is "restored" that means it is basically the way it came out of the factory. Maybe the paint/fit/finish is better than OEM. And it might have some minor changes to make it more reliable, or whatever. But you can't call any car with a completely wrong motor in it "restored".
 
Wow . you just insulted a large portion of the people on this site. In case you didn't notice, this is a Mopar site. Maybe you should find a site that caters to turbo cars, or anything with an ls motor.

i for one have an a body
2 have a gen3 hemi in it and yes its turbocharged

insulting? it is one thing to have a restored vehicle. it is another to bash anything different from it. that is not and never will be hotrodding. it is narrow minded and insulting to frown upon everything and anything different than yours and your tastes. the personality that goes along with it glows through out this site just as i describe.

i personally have rarely gotten along with a strait mopar only individual. as small as the amount of mopars in the nation is already. it helps nothing for this mentality for it to grow or continue to thrive.

this is the reason you cant buy an aftermarket sbm off the shelf.
exactly why prices are rediculous
exactly why aftermarket parts rarely ever get produced or if they do are not readily available
exactly why an a hole compaany like indyhead stays in business
exactly why nobody is ever looking at a mopar unless its got a hemi at any all makes cruise ins or car shows
exactly why this thread is self fullfilling

i love mopars. i try to pick them out everywhere i go to. i count how many are at the race track. drool over mostly anything mopar. it is also why i dont have a gen2 hemi, 63 330a in my garage because of how the attitude of most mopar guys are. the metality that theirs is far superior to all other brands yet cant prove it at the same time cuz nobody does anything with them. when they do you get guys with all numbers matching coming out bashing them. so they stay away cuz it isnt worth the harassment for just enjoying going fast or being different.
 
At $7500.00, the 600+ci Ford 460 stroker seems allot cheaper than Mopar big blocks, with comparable output. If I ever wanted to get stupid fast in one of my F-bodies, this power plant seems affordable compared to a 'greater than' 500ci Mopar.

Not the same considerations as "throwing a Chevy 350" into a Mopar from what's been said.

The hard part is keeping your hood closed after blowing the doors off of the competition. Open it, & open the gates of hell's ridicule.
 
ls dart. lol NO i didnt stick with it. has a gen3 hemi now. but this pic hurts feelings a ton.
 

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May I ask why you didn't stick with it?
The hurt feelings, you will have that to a degree with any mods. Even when all Mopar.
Non body color under hood paint for example will ruffle many feathers in the Mopar world.
I only have very modified cars myself. For both reasons of a purchase price I could afford and personal preference. Never been afraid to cut into one of my Mopars as they were unloved derelicts when I obtained them.
I do avoid the most common annoyances while building my cars and agree with the annoyed on most issues but not all. Many different levels of tolerance to be found in this social group.
 
It doesn't seem like good practice to me.
And based on those that know engines, it seem that putting a Chevy engine in a "classic" MOPAR says "cheap".
And if I look at the prices of "crate" engines, I then see their point.
But when I price engines from good, well known engine remans on basic engines, it seems the prices are in line across the brands for a given engine size.
There is one exception to the general rule.
A Hemi can go in anything.
And if it is Chevy car, who cares what is in it?
 
May I ask why you didn't stick with it?
The hurt feelings, you will have that to a degree with any mods. Even when all Mopar.
Non body color under hood paint for example will ruffle many feathers in the Mopar world.
I only have very modified cars myself. For both reasons of a purchase price I could afford and personal preference. Never been afraid to cut into one of my Mopars as they were unloved derelicts when I obtained them.
I do avoid the most common annoyances while building my cars and agree with the annoyed on most issues but not all. Many different levels of tolerance to be found in this social group.

because an aftermarket head and block finally came out for the gen3 hemi. little did i know the prices would be rediculous and the product would be pathetic(block). the block threads pulled out of many of the alum block. thitek heads are on hiatus and i cant get a pair now. maybe they will may some more soon? either way im screwed once again by mopar aftermarket scene. im gonna attempt my mission with a stock 5.7 block and eagle heads at this point. i dont have a choice as the two main parts are not available of not worth the hassle.

see i want to go fast and i am not brand loyal i am power and cost effective loyal. meaning least costly to go quickly. however i also like to be different than the rest. i dont want to be another turdstang or nova, cama row, in the field of the same. i want to be exclusive and indifferent.
 
I believe I now have a grasp of your build problems with Mopar power.
Working under your listed parameters of : go fast differently for less while
remaining exclusive and indifferent I believe I have your solution. You will need a few
supplies but they are not terribly expensive.
1 empty 30 gal. oil drum
80 lbs of sugar from grocery
150 lbs of stump remover from the local harware
Stir ingredients in drum under medium heat till a thick brown paste.
Remove from heat and allow to cool or set in drum till paste hardens.
Fasten drum securely to rear of dart.
Transport dart to the largest open space you know of and lite er off.
The turdstang and cama row boys won't know what hit em.
Your dart will now set your eyeballs firmly against the back of your skull
like no dart anyone has ever had could do.
If this is not fast enough scale up to a 55 gal drum.
Warning not NASA approved and will reach extreme temperatures.
 
I will keep my Duster all mopar. That being said I have done lots of experaments over the years. A v6 buick engine + trans in a Mazda truck, an V8 olds desil in a Pacer, A V8 desil in a motor home. That is how I learned to do things and think outside the box.
 
I believe I now have a grasp of your build problems with Mopar power.
Working under your listed parameters of : go fast differently for less while
remaining exclusive and indifferent I believe I have your solution. You will need a few
supplies but they are not terribly expensive.
1 empty 30 gal. oil drum
80 lbs of sugar from grocery
150 lbs of stump remover from the local harware
Stir ingredients in drum under medium heat till a thick brown paste.
Remove from heat and allow to cool or set in drum till paste hardens.
Fasten drum securely to rear of dart.
Transport dart to the largest open space you know of and lite er off.
The turdstang and cama row boys won't know what hit em.
Your dart will now set your eyeballs firmly against the back of your skull
like no dart anyone has ever had could do.
If this is not fast enough scale up to a 55 gal drum.
Warning not NASA approved and will reach extreme temperatures.

that sounds like a coyote idea. lol

seriously i need an aftermarket company to produce a reliable aftermarket block with ductile iron cylinders. reinforced bulkheads, billet main caps with 4 bolt mains, just to name a few. non aluminum as well. i dont want an aluminum block either. to much expansion and movement during heating and cooling cycles i want nothing to do with. weight be damned.
 
i for one have an a body
2 have a gen3 hemi in it and yes its turbocharged

insulting? it is one thing to have a restored vehicle. it is another to bash anything different from it. that is not and never will be hotrodding. it is narrow minded and insulting to frown upon everything and anything different than yours and your tastes. the personality that goes along with it glows through out this site just as i describe.

i personally have rarely gotten along with a strait mopar only individual. as small as the amount of mopars in the nation is already. it helps nothing for this mentality for it to grow or continue to thrive.

this is the reason you cant buy an aftermarket sbm off the shelf.
exactly why prices are rediculous
exactly why aftermarket parts rarely ever get produced or if they do are not readily available
exactly why an a hole compaany like indyhead stays in business
exactly why nobody is ever looking at a mopar unless its got a hemi at any all makes cruise ins or car shows
exactly why this thread is self fullfilling

i love mopars. i try to pick them out everywhere i go to. i count how many are at the race track. drool over mostly anything mopar. it is also why i dont have a gen2 hemi, 63 330a in my garage because of how the attitude of most mopar guys are. the metality that theirs is far superior to all other brands yet cant prove it at the same time cuz nobody does anything with them. when they do you get guys with all numbers matching coming out bashing them. so they stay away cuz it isnt worth the harassment for just enjoying going fast or being different.
I don't have anything against modifying our Mopars. Both of mine are modified. I also have a 65 Mercury Comet. It's modified also. I'm not a resto type. I think it's cool you have a turbo gen 3 Hemi. I just don't like a chevy in a Mopar or Ford. That's why I don't like most street rods. If look back at the cars from the 50's and 60's, alot of them had different engines in them. Including chevys. Somehow the aftermarket seized onto the Chevy, and ran with it, and pushing it, since that's what they made. It caught on, and now everyone thinks it needs a chevy. As was said before, that's not thinking outside the box. It's jumping in and closing the lid. If you can't get along with Mopar guys, maybe you should look in the mirror. I know there's snobbery in the Mopar camp. I've been a victim of it myself plenty of times. But if you think it doesn't exist in the Chevy camp, you are being foolish. It's a lot of the reason I don't like chevy. You go to a show, or cruise in, and they won't talk to you.
 
I don't have anything against modifying our Mopars. Both of mine are modified. I also have a 65 Mercury Comet. It's modified also. I'm not a resto type. I think it's cool you have a turbo gen 3 Hemi. I just don't like a chevy in a Mopar or Ford. That's why I don't like most street rods. If look back at the cars from the 50's and 60's, alot of them had different engines in them. Including chevys. Somehow the aftermarket seized onto the Chevy, and ran with it, and pushing it, since that's what they made. It caught on, and now everyone thinks it needs a chevy. As was said before, that's not thinking outside the box. It's jumping in and closing the lid. If you can't get along with Mopar guys, maybe you should look in the mirror. I know there's snobbery in the Mopar camp. I've been a victim of it myself plenty of times. But if you think it doesn't exist in the Chevy camp, you are being foolish. It's a lot of the reason I don't like chevy. You go to a show, or cruise in, and they won't talk to you.

oh yea i totally agree with you 110% in everything you say. see my comments come from being newish to the mopar community. im from a chevy family and they all frowned upon me when i drove up in a cobra one day. then a supra, mark8, etc.. i have always strived to be different then the pack. yet my heart since i was old enough to remember cars was set on a square body dart. took me almost a year to find one and several deals gone south to hamper my taste for mopars in general. from prices being raised above asking prices i didnt even negotiate on to parts being taken off or removed as i was attempting to pay for them. it wore on me quickly and it just fueled my distain towards the crowd of mopar people in general. i am still working on restraint from letting those bad apples effect me with the rest of you guys. it is clear in how i post im agitated about it but i am trying...honest to god im trying.
 
You took the coyote build in stride so your not completly without a sense of humor.
You'll get your dart sorted out in time like the rest of us.
 
I find that driving and old car that hasn't been around for quite a while and finding parts for them to be challenging. i have a 1967 plymouth valiant signet with a 225 /6. not many are rebuilding them so parts are hard to come by. add to the mix of one year only parts and the price of those parts go up. and are hard to locate. i can find the rubber gasket for the front windshield for my car but can't find the correct rear one. but love my car and plan on having it for many years to come.
 
You took the coyote build in stride so your not completly without a sense of humor.
You'll get your dart sorted out in time like the rest of us.

i was trying to see if it was class legal to run as well. lmao i loved that road runner but i sure wish he got caught just one time and nailed to a plate and eaten.

yea im hoping the dart will be done this spring and testing. i have a few grand to spend on it now. need some parts to get going on it.
 
oh yea i totally agree with you 110% in everything you say. see my comments come from being newish to the mopar community. im from a chevy family and they all frowned upon me when i drove up in a cobra one day. then a supra, mark8, etc.. i have always strived to be different then the pack. yet my heart since i was old enough to remember cars was set on a square body dart. took me almost a year to find one and several deals gone south to hamper my taste for mopars in general. from prices being raised above asking prices i didnt even negotiate on to parts being taken off or removed as i was attempting to pay for them. it wore on me quickly and it just fueled my distain towards the crowd of mopar people in general. i am still working on restraint from letting those bad apples effect me with the rest of you guys. it is clear in how i post im agitated about it but i am trying...honest to god im trying.

if a mopar deal goes South, its probably unfair to blame dishonest sellers on the brand of car involved ?? some bad apples in every camp.

one thing for s ure, Mopar people, in general are: very brand loyal, very strong opinions, very serious about their cars and parts, AND very used to being the under dog, the 3 rd company, the guy that has to pay more, look for parts the longest, travel the farthest to get parts and cars, etc etc....??????

I personally have stayed with Mopar the last 40 years because I have no interest in trying to learn all the needed info on another brand. still trying to figure out Mopar! ?? ha

I like talking cars with ANY car enthusiasts. regardless of brand.. if the dude is a GOOD guy and not an a**h***..... good and bad in all camps. don't care for egos, one upmanship, and people that look down on others.. period.

i realize as time goes on, some of our old 60's, 70's mopars will get the "treatment" like those of the 40's and 50's. rodders will build what they can find, and that's their business, i will just like what i like and others can do as they wish. i still want to see mopar drivetrain in mopars period. just me.
 
when i run across a brand loyalist ill walk right past him and talk to the crossbreader. why? cuz he isnt a jackass or high and mighty about his "brand" he took an oath to. i personally dont like restored original cars. they bore me, look plain, dont get used like it should and never sees weather beyond clear sunny days. i have no patience for that kind of mind set. i want a fake boobed gussied up slutty girl i can beat on without a worry. take that stock fat girl home so we font have to see or hear about how great she is for you.

You don't have to be a brand loyalist to keep the car "all of something."

Every a**hole and their brother will take a fat fendered Buick and put a small block Chevy in it. Not every one takes the time to take the same car and hunt down a Buick engine for it. Those that do are making a commitment to make the car different than the rest of the crowd.

So, you'd walk past that guy who had to do more for his build than just buy off the shelf parts to make the car his? It takes more in engineering and fabrication to get that Buick engine to fit in between the rails than that small block Chevy that fits damned near anywhere, that you can call any number of parts houses and get mounts for damned near any body or that you can walk into damned near any junkyard and buy the parts cheap. Because you see him as being brand loyal?
 
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