gas tank sending unit

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Gauge reading near empty so i got the ohmmeter out and it reads 60 ohms...73 is empty,
at 60 my gauge seems correct.
i thought there was more gas in it than that so i syphoned the tank and got 8 gallons....
...now either the sending unit is defective,stuck or the float is full.
if i need a new sending unit can someone recommend one...there are many $30 - $100 ???
 
78 ohms or greater = no needle movement. 73 ohms is up to the first "empty" hash mark. Should we consider that approx. 3 gallons of reserve/insurance/cushion ? In any case, what you state is too typical. Lets first prove you car does still have its OEM sender. If so, you could install any aftermarket sender at any price and see if there is a change. I'm betting against it.
 
Aftermarket senders leave a lot to be desired. I have one I bought, and it's kinda sorta maybe close.


ALSO: IF you do replace it, keep the old ring that holds it in, the new ones are junk and most likely will leak.
 
sender may very well be an aftermarket replacement,but it has been working properly.
Now it indicates near empty with over 1/2 tank of gas.60 ohms should read less than 1/4 tank or nearly empty.
i'll pull the sender and see what i find before buying anything.
 
Lets first prove you car does still have its OEM sender. If so, you could install any aftermarket sender at any price and see if there is a change. I'm betting against it.[/QUOTE]

your suggesting any aftermarket sender will still indicate 1/8 of a tank with 8 gallons?
 
Possibly . If you haven't poured the gas back in yet, and fairly sure your siphon got 99% of it out... lets check the gauge reading again and sender ohms again. Afterwards we can add back at 1 gallon increments.
 
ahhh...rain all day so indoor sports?
able to syphon 2 more gallons out of tank (10 total) and still reads 59 ohms
grounded sending unit (original) and gauge reads full
will remove the original sending unit and check.
 
OK I'm going to guess what you'll find inside... If its the OEM sender with square box, The sweeping contact in the sender was originally shaped like top half of a bagel. This would keep it in contact with 2 or more of the resistor winding laps. Since we have weaker brass sweeping against nickel chromium wire the contact eventually wears through to become a fish hook shape. Then it snags a winding lap and stays there. If the winding had stayed flat against the board its wound on the snag wouldn't happen. The wire didn't grow in length, the board shrank.
The half moon shaped box collects trash inside presenting different result/condition.
 
problem found!
float on sender has a hairline crack and float was full of gas.
my sending unit resistance is 10.7 - 63 ohms.That is the full arm sweep without the float.
I think it can be adjusted by bending the arm at the stop to allow resistor more travel.
Tx all,hope this helps someone else.
 
Thanks for the update, I'm having a similar issue. Now I know where to start.
 
Here. I ordered one of the commercial units mentioned later in the thread

Basically, the cluster must be in good shape, the wiring connection, etc, the IVR must be working correctly and the gauge unit in calibration. Then you can check that must with substitute resistance for accuracy

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=264543
 
since this post has been brought back...new float $15
i put one gallon in and gauge just barely moved
2 gallons and we're at 1/8th
added 5 more for a total of 7 and we're just below half.
...the original gauge is quite accurate
 
Close enough. It's just a range indicator anyway. If it shows 'E' , sends you to the pumps before the tank is completely empty, life is good.
I cant remove a sender without replacing its seal to tank. I don't trust them to reseal.
 
This thread has been pretty useful in covering some of the failure modes...

Call me an idiot here but my car is 25 miles away right now and I'm trying to remember- do you need to drop the tank to get to the sending unit or can you access it through the trunk?

Is there an OEM replacement unit that won't send a fella to the poorhouse?
 
This is exactly what happened to mine.

I tried an aftermarket sender, and it was hopeless. Everything about it was different -- the shape of the inlet tube, the location of the float arm pivot point, the length and shape of the float arm, the size and configuration of the windings on the resistor board.

Because of the spare tire well intrusion into the tank, the A-body sender windings are NOT supposed to be regular -- there are tighter windings at one end, and looser at the other. The replacement had evenly spaced windings, and therefore could never be correct at all three positions (full, half, empty).

Fortunately, I found someone who gave me their old sender, and I pieced together a good one from the two, plus the sock from the replacement. I couldn't recommend the new part, though I suppose if you were determined you could tweak it to be somewhat satisfactory.

No, you do not need to drop the tank to remove the sender. The seal is no big deal -- it's just a flat rubber gasket -- easy to replace.

OK I'm going to guess what you'll find inside... If its the OEM sender with square box, The sweeping contact in the sender was originally shaped like top half of a bagel. This would keep it in contact with 2 or more of the resistor winding laps. Since we have weaker brass sweeping against nickel chromium wire the contact eventually wears through to become a fish hook shape. Then it snags a winding lap and stays there. If the winding had stayed flat against the board its wound on the snag wouldn't happen. The wire didn't grow in length, the board shrank.
 
This thread has been pretty useful in covering some of the failure modes...

Call me an idiot here but my car is 25 miles away right now and I'm trying to remember- do you need to drop the tank to get to the sending unit or can you access it through the trunk?
Not through the trunk but from underneath.... you usually can pull the sender with the tank in the car.
KEEP THE SENDER GASKET RING THAT IS NOW IN THE CAR
 
In a recent post here I pointed out that the sender had been improved in the physical or mechanic aspect. The original, long, one bend, sender had its faults. At approx' 1/8th of tank, that sender float would bounce against the bottom of the tank. Steel ( the harder metal ) wears brass. Float gets a hole and sinks.
Backing over objects like tricycles is one of many ways to distort the tank. The one bend tube is quicker to move the flange, break the seal, open the bottle. The multi bend tube not only is more apt to distort at more than one bend thus protecting the seal but seems to improve siphon and resist the soda straw like backflow too.
Every time I read a post where owner stated he bent the float arm attempting to improve aftermarket sender signal, I want to reply, "Keep a 1/4 tank minimum fill or go ahead and buy another float".
 
I got mine at vans auto , I have had the same problem getting it to reseal , It was a pain in the arse
 
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