Dude, you just screwing with me ain't ya? Because I never said ANYTHING about 4.88's and 5200 converters for 13 second cars. WTF? what I said was you didn't optimize the combo's. You don't need that **** to run 13's. My Dart Sport went 12.90's with a 3.23 gear, junk clutch and crap carb when he bought it. How you guys go so slow with so much is stunning. I'm going to the track today, and I know I will be jaw dropped all day watching big brother engines go slow. I will see chassis that will run like they were tuned by a preschooler. It will be embarrassing.