Home schoolers...

Would you kindly educate me on how,that is SUPPOSED to work please?
Have a neighbor that home schools their kids. Never see them leave the property, never see any visitors. How are these kids going to learn any social skills? Kids will often try to strike up a conversation with me...99% of the time it is when very busy.....most days one of them is outside herding their goats around the yard while Dad is barking out orders. Will often see them running up and down the driveway...this is often after I hear Dad screaming about something, so I don't know if this running is supposed to be some sort of gym class or a simple punishment of sorts.
Would really like to understand how home schooling is supposed to be done...simply because I am curious.
I often wonder what these kids are missing out on...not because of the home schooling but because of how it appears to be handled. There is girl, believe she is about 13 or so, the ten year old boy and then a cousin, believe the little girl is 8 or so. Have my suspicions on how where these kids are heading but...
So please do educate me...
Thanks in advance for helping me learn sumtin knew...

take a minute and knock on the door, talk to the parents..that way you will not get an idea, you will get the entire picture...

MY EX WIFE HOME SCHOOLED HER 3 BOYS "NOT MINE". FUNNY. SHE NEVER HAD A DIPLOMA. AND SHE'S HOME SCHOOLING? WELL LONG STORY SHORT ALL 3 OF THEM KIDS HAVE CRIMINAL RECORDS AS LONG AS THEIR ARMS. YEAH GREAT PARENTING.

I generally don't reply to these types of threads because things go South in a hurry.... But......
Social skills aren't just taught in school. Churches, Parks, neighborhoods, and family get togethers, are amoung the few places this is taught.
1). Some parents home school because a special needs child isn't getting the special needs
2). Some parents home school because the public system is funded by the government and therefore the learning material is politically motivated, like global warming was twisted to expand a political agenda. Or, regardless of religious beliefs, you have to accept every lifestyle without opinion. this is just a couple of examples of a huge list. Some parents feel they should stick to reading, writing, arithmetic, and shop type classes.
3). Some parents home school because the child is attracted to a group of kids that bring trouble and habits that will effect the life of the child
Here are just a few reasons why, whether agreed with or not.
Oh, I think on SAT tests, home schooled kids scored higher???? not for sure, but I believe to be the case. In any case, one example is not the way to look at a hole picture. Home schooling is done with great success throughout this country

So homeschooling teaches boys how to be a criminals? Lol. Kidding.
I think I would have preferred to be homeschooled.
Seems a lot of my time for years was wasted waiting on bells and riding a bus when I think about it.

Education starts at home !!!
One of the big problems today is that many parents are too busy or don't take the time to teach their children fundamental life skills !!
It is put on society and the public school systems who gladly endoctrinate the uneducated students !!!
Once again it states at home !!
Even if children attend public or private schools it's still the parents job to teach truth !!!

My local Snap On Tools dealer's wife homeschool(s)(d) their children. All 12 of them. Known him for almost 30 years. I have often wondered how in the world they did it, because she does not work outside the house. They are not hermits though. We used to see them when the children were young out and about. I used to joke with him that when they went to the Burger King they WENT to the Burger King. They probably hollered "BUS" when they pulled in because essentially that's what they had......a full sized van like a church van. Most of their children are grown now and on their own. Very successful bunch, too.

bigaadams said:

take a minute and knock on the door, talk to the parents..that way you will not get an idea, you will get the entire picture...

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I have spoken with the folks at the fence a few times. Just like the wife and I they moved out this way to avoid folks. In the 8 years we have been hear, other than Grandpa showing up they have only had visitors a few times. When we get a ln unknown vehicle in our 'hood it is a big deal lol...the dad told us that they were socializing with another neighbor but felt that by inviting this neighbor over that their "space" was being violated...they have severed ties with this neighbor. I feel that this "privacy" should be respected...

318willrun said:

I generally don't reply to these types of threads because things go South in a hurry.... But......
Social skills aren't just taught in school. Churches, Parks, neighborhoods, and family get togethers, are amoung the few places this is taught.
1). Some parents home school because a special needs child isn't getting the special needs
2). Some parents home school because the public system is funded by the government and therefore the learning material is politically motivated, like global warming was twisted to expand a political agenda. Or, regardless of religious beliefs, you have to accept every lifestyle without opinion. this is just a couple of examples of a huge list. Some parents feel they should stick to reading, writing, arithmetic, and shop type classes.
3). Some parents home school because the child is attracted to a group of kids that bring trouble and habits that will effect the life of the child
Here are just a few reasons why, whether agreed with or not.
Oh, I think on SAT tests, home schooled kids scored higher???? not for sure, but I believe to be the case. In any case, one example is not the way to look at a hole picture. Home schooling is done with great success throughout this country

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Thanks for your input...

I DON'T MEAN TO MAKE IT SOUND BAD. I WAS JUST STATING THAT HAPPENED TO HER KIDS. NOT ALL HOME SCHOOLERS ARE BAD. SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE.

jimmer said:

Education starts at home !!!
One of the big problems today is that many parents are too busy or don't take the time to teach their children fundamental life skills !!
It is put on society and the public school systems who gladly endoctrinate the uneducated students !!!
Once again it states at home !!
Even if children attend public or private schools it's still the parents job to teach truth !!!

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I also believe this to be true.
We taught our kids (even though they all went to public schools) that fair play and common sense were among the main priorities to be learned in life and that most anything that came up could usually be solved with one of these.
Common sense can solve a lot of life's issue's, and informed decision making plays a huge role.
They were taught facts by us, and allowed to form their own opinions on everything from religion to social interaction.

It's amazing how well adjusted and decisive they are now that they are in their late 20's and early thirties.
Well, the boys are anyway but the girls have always seemed to have strange **** in their heads here and there for some reason.
A lot of it I'm sure resulted from one Daughter not able to visit or talk to her Dad (me) much growing up, and the Wife's biological Daughter living with us her entire young life.
There has always been a not so underlying jealousy and emotional hurt going on between those two, that seemed to carry over into their adult lives socially with family and friends alike.

Personally I think public school ignores a lot of important social training and real life lessons that are critical in my opinion.
The biggest A hole jock in PT class trying to kill people with a soccer ball "playing" dodge ball isn't it for the person throwing the ball or the one getting hit either one.
Teachers telling a kid something he or she knows damn well isn't true because they know the actual facts and realize the teachers have an agenda promoted by the school, city, state or country just lessens their trust in the entire system.
What they need are to be taught the true facts and common sense, or we as a species are doomed to make the same mistakes, over and over again with misinformation being the springboard for the decision making.

Here where we live for example they don't mention a word in the schools about how this area we live in was developed and built almost entirely on Chinese labor, that was run off, killed or made house slaves when they didn't need them any longer.
My Son asked his teacher once about why this wasn't part of the local history being taught in the schools and the Teacher told him because it didn't happen.
He told her it absolutely did happen, as his parent taught him about it when we moved here, and there were pictures in geological texts depicting some of these people being beaten for low mine production, and even pictures of the tunnels that still exist today under the town that they were forced to live in when they were not in the mines.
She sent him to the Principals office, and we had a go around about my kid getting in trouble for mentioning an embarrassing although true fact about the history of the town and they caught a pretty big earful from me about teaching only the pretty and cute facts instead of how bad it can be to abuse people and not allow anyone to learn from history so as to not have it repeated.
(Remember that one Teacher?)

No offence taken, your likely correct. I was just laughing. Its like a bad joke.

I know someone who tried it, it didn't work because the "child" wouldn't commit to doing the work. The parent couldn't force them either so what do you do? The child is a teenager now and back in school, but I don't think its working out. The social skills part anyway.

being a fundamental Baptist, i know several families who homeschool a lot of them come out great, and from larger families
i know one family in particular where the daughter was not happy in public school so they homeschooled her
this girl was very dedicated to her studies and needed very little supervision

i know another couple who is thinking of homeschooling their children because the private Christian school they attend does not hold the Bible in the same regard as we do and refuses to teach their children the memory verses in the King James Version

then there is always the creation/evolution and young earth/old earth debate
my son goes to a private Christian school and he has brought home books from school which claimed that dinosaurs lived 35 Brazilian years ago and I had to sit him down and explain to him that that is not true, and why it was not true
(oh look, a soap box, let me get on for a minute)
i had to explain to him that the Bible teaches animals were created on the fifth day and man on the sixth day
if we count the geniology from Adam to Abraham we get about 2000 years
now, most scholars believe Abraham lived in 2000 B.C., which was about 4000 years ago

so the Bible teaches that the world is only about 6000 years old and therefore dinosaurs lived only 6000 years ago


Even though my son goes to a private Christian school, i still keep an eye on what he is taught, and correct it when needed

in some cases lifestyle/vocation enters into this homeschool deal. horse trainers, pro rodeo families enter into this scenario. the family travels to events that are long distance or lasts for weeks. many times the kids are choosing to follow in dads footsteps and learn his vocation. also isolated ranch families.
all the families/kids I have seen in this situation, were great students and grew into mature young people at an early age, with a huge amount of maturity and general work ethic.
I have to wonder just how great out public schools really are?

There are good and bad teachers in any environment. I've got 2 that were homeschooled and turned out great. Part of any successful homeschoolers education is interaction with other kids also in a home schooling env.
Being cooped up in a house, and shunning away others, is not homeschooling, its something else, and not healthy for the kids long term.

Social skills for home schoolers, Simple. Church youth group and or local home school study groups.

What if the parents aren't qualified to teach??? The kids can't be smarter than the person teaching them... If the parents are idiots, then the kids will be also....

krazykuda said:

What if the parents aren't qualified to teach??? The kids can't be smarter than the person teaching them... If the parents are idiots, then the kids will be also....

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My high school had a few teachers that fit that category!!!

I STILL to this day remember our "physics" teacher who should never have been teaching ANYTHING. One day he was trying to explain the formula relating to cross section of a wire. I don't have it offhand, but it's an inverse formula, basically it says that the bigger the wire, the more current it carries. He was explaining it exactly backwards

I piped up and made a snide remark about "yeh that's why we use no 22 wire for car battery cables." He was so dumb he didn't get it.

WHAT IS WORSE is that as we were leaving one of the "jocks" got me going out the door. He is trying to be "nice." He tells me, "I knew you were right but I could not say anything because I'm going for the school science award."

That right there was an important life's lesson. An award is ALWAYS more important than truth, actual facts, or the point of the whole damn subject. Get the award at all costs!!

Public schools have become propaganda and conformity centers. Do you know anything about Nazi Germany? My daughters were told they had to write a paper on "why they believe in Evolution". Neither did, and there was no other option. You can not punish kids in school today, how are you going to keep discipline. You can not fail a kid, why does he/she need to try or study. This is devastating to marginal kids. Our kids are coming out less and less prepared for the crazy world we find ourselves in. Since public school guidelines will not admit failure, they double down on stupid. Parents scam the system and jump on teachers who push their kids. If I did something stupid in school, I was in big trouble from my parents, not my teacher. Home schooling is like a computer, Garbage in = Garbage out. I agree with the thoughtful answers above. My brother is a missionary in Brazil, so his kids are Home Schooled. It is hard work, they both take seriously, to teach their 3 kids. My Daughter was a Private School teacher, her son is reading at 4 years old. She will probably Home School her boys. There are all kinds of resources now and joint activities for Home Schooled kids. Sorry for the Rant. Next?

krazykuda said:

What if the parents aren't qualified to teach??? The kids can't be smarter than the person teaching them... If the parents are idiots, then the kids will be also....

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The "qualifications" to teach are pretty low even in public schools. From what I understand there are workbooks and State requirements to homeschool. It is not just as easy as pulling your kid from school and dusting off the encyclopedias.

A friend of ours from church home schools her 4 kids and takes it very seriously. She has set up HS networks and the kids are very social. She is also law school graduate and their household income is probably near $200k. For most, home schooling is a sacrifice that most low wage earners and power couples are not willing to take but are definitely willing to scrutinize.

If I did not like our local school so much I would consider it as an option.

If schools were not govt. indoctrination centers, like say 1850, people would not have to home school. Do you want your first grader to study transsexualism? Neither do we.

My brothers wife does an excellent job home schooling my 2 nieces, I too was worried at first about the social aspect until I realized how many activities they are involved in. Church, 4H, archery, hunting, summer camps, ect. As said before I think it all depends on WHO is doing the homeschooling

Walker434 said:

My brothers wife does an excellent job home schooling my 2 nieces, I too was worried at first about the social aspect until I realized how many activities they are involved in. Church, 4H, archery, hunting, summer camps, ect. As said before I think it all depends on WHO is doing the homeschooling

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I have heard the argument before. Unless your kids are in public school 24 hours a day, where do they socialize? I would guess there is far more social interaction outside of school than inside.

fratzog lover said:

I have heard the argument before. Unless your kids are in public school 24 hours a day, where do they socialize? I would guess there is far more social interaction outside of school than inside.

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This sentiment was championed by guilt-ridden working moms in the 80's and 90's to justify their pursuits of McMansions and German luxury cars until it became the modern gospel.

My 2 daughters were home schooled from 8th grade on up, but it was a online school with online interaction with the teachers. If they failed it would of been back to public school. Both straight As though out HS so it worked for us. And it wasn't some cushy classes, I think more difficult stuff than the public school teaches.