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replicaracer43

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So BEFORE I mention who this member is, id like to lay out the facts. Guy offers to sell his fitech fuell command center that is a week old because hes going a different direction. He says its just like new, used one week. 300 bucks seems ok, so I PM him and say if its as he says, compleat and new, I will take it. I asked him if he would take a postal money order, because I dont have paypal. He asked where he could cash it and i tell him any post office. Hes ok with that, so I send it. Then i get a PM that the post office didnt have enough in drawer to cash it, and that he took it to the bank cause his work prevents him from going to the post office. Said it will be a 10 day "hold" before he knows if its good. Wait longer than that, no comunication from him, and I ask whats up, He offers to send money order back. Then he says he cant belive i ask for it back, its gonna be a longer wait, and i get a "F" as a buyer. so I have NO money, and NO parts. Opinions guys?
 
He's right about the Post Office. The branch we use in Gray never has much cash. He's also right about the bank. I have had our bank put a hold on money orders before. The reason I got from the bank is because there is so much theft going on with money orders now, so they hold them until they clear.

This is why I pay with Paypal now and insist on the same. If you paid with Paypal, you would probably have your money back already.

What was his excuse for not sending the part?
 
He's right about the Post Office. The branch we use in Gray never has much cash. He's also right about the bank. I have had our bank put a hold on money orders before. The reason I got from the bank is because there is so much theft going on with money orders now, so they hold them until they clear.

This is why I pay with Paypal now and insist on the same. If you paid with Paypal, you would probably have your money back already.

What was his excuse for not sending the part?
I also agreed with the assesment of the postal service, and I am aware of the shortcommings, but the issue I GUESS is he agreed to a payment type he didnt understand. I can only imagine he must "think" the money order is fradulent.
 
And I forgot to mention, my FIRST red flag with this guy, was after I sent the money, he tells me that it doesnt include the high presure hoses that come with it. If he would have told me that up front, I wouldnt have even wasted my time.
 
When I receive a USPS Money Order and don't cash it at the Post Office, I take it to my bank. They have a number they call to verify it's a good money order and not stolen. It gets deposited and funds are available right then and there. Disclaimer - Your bank may have a different policy.
 
I guess the real issue is the seller was ignorant to how a money order works, but because of that, I am a poor buyer, "f as a buyer he said" and now i have no money back and no parts, and he is pissed at me!
 
I guess the real issue is the seller was ignorant to how a money order works, but because of that, I am a poor buyer, "f as a buyer he said" and now i have no money back and no parts, and he is pissed at me!

I don't understand the F grade either. It seems yall both agreed on a form of payment and you sent it.
 
I don't understand the F grade either. It seems yall both agreed on a form of payment and you sent it.
Yeah,and I have allready been waiting, now he says no refund untill it "clears" Also, hes deducting any postage from my total. I was allready pissed about getting stiffed on the hoses AFTER the fact, but I am REALLY pissed now, just dont understand how a guy agrees to sale terms, THEN shafts you on what you get, drags his feet, then gets mad! un beleivable!
 
Yeah,and I have allready been waiting, now he says no refund untill it "clears" Also, hes deducting any postage from my total. I was allready pissed about getting stiffed on the hoses AFTER the fact, but I am REALLY pissed now, just dont understand how a guy agrees to sale terms, THEN shafts you on what you get, drags his feet, then gets mad! un beleivable!

Any postage on what? A MO only takes one stamp.
 
name please. an internet thrashing is the closest we can get, to an old fashion beat down.
 
name please. an internet thrashing is the closest we can get, to an old fashion beat down.
No, im gonna let him have a chance to refund my money before I do, Ive waited this long, another couple weeks shouldnt be a problem
 
No, im gonna let him have a chance to refund my money before I do, Ive waited this long, another couple weeks shouldnt be a problem
Great! I understand your plight. No one wants to get stiffed but I have had a check held for forty five days before the funds were released. Good luck and will keep an eye on your thread.
 
I guess I'm ignorant about money orders as well
I thought the person to whom it was made out could walk into any bank and cash it, or into a bank he holds an account at and deposit it, with the funds being available right then

isn't that the point of a money order, it gets paid cash so you know it is good

as for the high pressure hoses, that's a tough one
I don't know what a command center is (underground bunker of some sort?) but if you agreed to it being complete I would imagine that includes the hoses
but
if he bought the hoses separate I could see how he would think they are not included

almost seems like a moot point since the sale fell through though
 
So BEFORE I mention who this member is, id like to lay out the facts. Guy offers to sell his fitech fuell command center that is a week old because hes going a different direction. He says its just like new, used one week. 300 bucks seems ok, so I PM him and say if its as he says, compleat and new, I will take it. I asked him if he would take a postal money order, because I dont have paypal. He asked where he could cash it and i tell him any post office. Hes ok with that, so I send it. Then i get a PM that the post office didnt have enough in drawer to cash it, and that he took it to the bank cause his work prevents him from going to the post office. Said it will be a 10 day "hold" before he knows if its good. Wait longer than that, no comunication from him, and I ask whats up, He offers to send money order back. Then he says he cant belive i ask for it back, its gonna be a longer wait, and i get a "F" as a buyer. so I have NO money, and NO parts. Opinions guys?
Money orders are as good as cash. I can walk in to may bank and deposit it, and it is in my account instantaneously...
 
How long has it been since he received your money order? And why has he not sent the funds or parts to you? I'm kinda confused on the whole deal.
 
paypal, 3% is chickensh!t for a speedy guaranteed transaction. If the cut bothers you, add 3% to cover it. Walmart has a money transfer service. Used it once when someone paid me for something. I had to go to walmart and give them my drivers license and they peeled off 15 $20's for me right then and there. Almost as fast as paypal, but you have to tell him what walmart to send the money to, like address. It was a while ago, forgot the details.
 
paypal, 3% is chickensh!t for a speedy guaranteed transaction. If the cut bothers you, add 3% to cover it....

Those who worship at the altar of PayPal need their eyes opened.

They will screw you if the other guy sells a lot and you're a minnow. They are a ******* big business, and you don't get to be that big without looking after number one.
 
You can go to the post office with the money order number and they can see if it has been cashed yet or not. If not, you should be able to cancel it and get a refund...
 
You don't need a Paypal account to use Paypal. You can pay via your credit card using the service without opening an account.
 
How long has it been since he received your money order? And why has he not sent the funds or parts to you? I'm kinda confused on the whole deal.
We made the deal on the 3rd of this month, he had the money order in hand on the 11th, but says he tried to cash it at post office 1 time but they didnt have enough in the drawer. Oh and by the way, your not getting the high pressure hoses that came with it either. Then he says he doesnt have time to go to the post office anymore, and his bank said to deposit it and wait 10 days. Then he tells me its gonna be a even longer wait, and that he will send my money back, and so I say yeah, do that, and now I am a "F" buyer. I have used money orders for probally 30 years and this is the first time I have had anyone act like this.
 
He's right about the Post Office. The branch we use in Gray never has much cash. He's also right about the bank. I have had our bank put a hold on money orders before. The reason I got from the bank is because there is so much theft going on with money orders now, so they hold them until they clear.

This is why I pay with Paypal now and insist on the same. If you paid with Paypal, you would probably have your money back already.

What was his excuse for not sending the part?
my bank does the same thing, whether thats western union, money gram, or usps, automatic 10 day hold for any money orders. And I understand why. I got ripped off several years ago, bank cashed the money order instantly, i shipped the crankshaft that day, 3 days later, bank hits me with the 250 bucks from the money order bouncing, plus a 26 dollar fee. Find out, the money order was cancelled by the buyer the same day he mailed the money order. So the dude got my crank for free and i was out the shipping and the 26 dollar fee...... so im glad my bank holds it now.
 
You can go to the post office with the money order number and they can see if it has been cashed yet or not. If not, you should be able to cancel it and get a refund...
this is what i would do, that or send him a certified letter with this.....


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"Seller Name
Seller Address

Date:

DEMAND LETTER

Dear Seller,

As you recall, on (insert date here), you agreed to sell me your (insert item description here) for the amount of (insert price here). Pursuant to our agreement, I sent you a (check/money order/cash) via the US Postal Service on (insert date here). As of today, I still have not received the (insert item description).

Despite my efforts to discuss this matter with you, including (list and date all attempts to communicate – e-mail, phone calls, etc…), you have not responded. You have breached our agreement (contract).

You should be aware of the following relevant United States Statutes:

MAIL FRAUD
Title 18, United States Code, Section 1341

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, or to sell, dispose of, loan, exchange, alter, give away, distribute, supply, or furnish or procure for unlawful use any counterfeit or spurious coin, obligation, security, or other article, or anything represented to be or intimated or held out to be such counterfeit or spurious article, for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice or attempting so to do, places in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter, any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by the Postal Service, or deposits or causes to be deposited any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by any private or commercial interstate carrier, or takes or receives therefrom, any such matter or thing, or knowingly causes to be delivered by mail or such carrier according to the direction thereon, or at the place at which it is directed to be delivered by the person to whom it is addressed, any such matter or thing, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

Elements of offense under this section are existence of scheme, or making of false representations and promises, for purpose of obtaining money or for defrauding, furthered by use of mails. Fabian v. U. S., C.A.8 (Iowa) 1966, 358 F.2d 187,

WIRE FRAUD
Title 18, United States Code, Section 1343

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

Mail or wire fraud occurs when person intentionally participates in scheme to defraud another of money or property and uses mails or wires in furtherance of that scheme. Cesnik v. Edgewood Baptist Church, C.A.11 (Ga.) 1996, 88 F.3d 902,

Please contact me within 7 days if you desire to resolve this matter with me informally. I can be reached at (insert your contact info seller should use– phone/e-mail/US mail). Otherwise, this matter will be turned over to the proper authorities.

Regards,



Your name here"
 
Lots of banks now won't even cash a check drawn on them unless you have an account there.

I think that's TOTAL BS.

After the fact change of terms is violation of verbal contract.

Why won't the seller just send your MO back to you?
 
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