Intake Choice???????

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Alright, I'm just going to get into it. Heavily ported stock heads, bigger valves, cam lunati voodoo
Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 284/292
  • Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 242/252
  • Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .533/.552
  • LSA/ICL: 110/106
  • Valve Lash (Int/Exh): Hyd/Hyd
  • RPM Range: 2500-6600
  • 4 speed, 87 dodge ram, 8 3/4 3.55, 30.5 inch tall tire
My choice Weiand Excelerator, Holley Street Dominator, Edelbrock Torker or Torker2. Give me your thoughts.
 
Alright, I'm just going to get into it. Heavily ported stock heads, bigger valves, cam lunati voodoo
Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 284/292
  • Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 242/252
  • Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .533/.552
  • LSA/ICL: 110/106
  • Valve Lash (Int/Exh): Hyd/Hyd
  • RPM Range: 2500-6600
  • 4 speed, 87 dodge ram, 8 3/4 3.55, 30.5 inch tall tire
My choice Weiand Excelerator, Holley Street Dominator, Edelbrock Torker or Torker2. Give me your thoughts.

I have the street dominator and the Weiand X-celerator
X-celerator Hands down. It is what i put on my 408. Just changed it over to my LD340 (Dual plane) yesterday to see if it will give me some better 60' times(mine runs out of breath around 6000 rpm)
Street Dominator, didn't like with a 340 rv cam and didn't like it with purple cam .474/280 cam
Even though your cam spec at 6600 rpm......If it's a street truck, you might be happier with a dual plane like the rpm air gap
 
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Torker2 will probably deliver the most in the power band.... right with the Weiand though. Better have some converter though or you'll wish you had a dual plane.
 
Right now its a 30 over 318LA with a 3.51 stroke. sorry. comp is 10.5, I thnk I'm going to go with that FI-Tech system up top. The one that is good to 800hp.
 
I haven't used the Weiand Xcelrator.
I have used the TorkerII.
I would not use the other two intakes.
I would look for a dual plane. Your low gear ratio and very tall tire are going to make this a hard vehicle to get going foward.
Perhaps some experimentation is in order?
 
The Street Dominator will waste all the other choices on the bottom end and the top with some port matching. Look at the plenum difference. That should make your mind up right there. If it does not, then you need to read up more on intake designs.
 
I haven't used the Weiand Xcelrator.
I have used the TorkerII.
I would not use the other two intakes.
I would look for a dual plane. Your low gear ratio and very tall tire are going to make this a hard vehicle to get going foward.
Perhaps some experimentation is in order?
What gear would you use 4.11 or 10 or 3.73. I mean it is a 8.75 I could just build a pumpkin to go silly fast with and, one for cruising.
 
I haven't used the Weiand Xcelrator.I have used the TorkerII.I would not use the other two intakes.
I would look for a dual plane. Your low gear ratio and very tall tire are going to make this a hard vehicle to get going foward.
Perhaps some experimentation is in order?
That 342 is definitely gonna want more gear.And that o/d has to go.
The ratios in that box are; 3.09-1.67-1.00-.71 with splits of 54%,60% and 71%
You will need 3.91s, at a minimum with that 3.09 low.. But the rpm drops are way to severe in that box for that cam of yours. That cam will want to hit at least 6800 in first to drop into second at 3672, with the power centered at 5236. The 2-3 shift will want to be around 6500, to drop in at 3900, with power peak centered at 5200. Your cam has not got a powerband that wide.
So the cure is to replace that cam, with something more suited to the tranny, or
To replace that tranny.
If it was mine to do, I would do both.But I also wouldna put a 342 into that 87 Ram; unless I could get the Ram down to 3400pounds or less......
 
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Either Torker is a doorstop. Use them if you want, but there are much better intakes.
 
Is that an old Crane Commander cam? That is pretty big cam for a 340ish inch engine in a pickup. Won't have much low end. Will probably want to pull to 7000 if the lifters don't pump up. 4.56 or 4.89 gear
 
That 342 is definitely gonna want more gear.And that o/d has to go.
The ratios in that box are; 3.09-1.67-1.00-.71 with splits of 54%,60% and 71%
You will need 3.91s, at a minimum with that 3.09 low.. But the rpm drops are way to severe in that box for that cam of yours. That cam will want to hit at least 6800 in first to drop into second at 3672, with the power centered at 5236. The 2-3 shift will want to be around 6500, to drop in at 3900, with power peak centered at 5200. Your cam has not got a powerband that wide.
So the cure is to replace that cam, with something more suited to the tranny, or
To replace that tranny.
If it was mine to do, I would do both.But I also wouldna put a 342 into that 87 Ram; unless I could get the Ram down to 3400pounds or less......
Alright this is the kind of stuff I want, I'm not opposed to changing gear boxes to anything better. I agree the gearing in the od box aren't very hot rod friendly. Give me a suggestion on a gearbox.
 
Is that an old Crane Commander cam? That is pretty big cam for a 340ish inch engine in a pickup. Won't have much low end. Will probably want to pull to 7000 if the lifters don't pump up. 4.56 or 4.89 gear
No Its a Lunati Voodoo hydraulic. No cam is ever to big for any motor in my book.
 
It's your motor. No biggie. I think the Torker II is a little better......maybe like wheel chock status.
 
The weiand is a very good intake, I ran one on my 340 and liked it. For what you're doing an air gap is a much better choice. And yes you can have a cam too big.
 
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Which box, kindof depends on the engine. And on the intended useage.
With a smallish engine, and a heavy chassis, and the limited gearbox ratios, you are gonna have to pay particular attention to marrying them. This is not a slap it together and go deal.

Do you remember the 305 Chevies of the mid to late 70s? Those were small bore long strokers, too. And they put those engines in big heavy chassis, like 77 Chevelles, Big Oldsmobiles,1/2T pick-ups,and other assorted tanks; and they were a terrible match-up. Well your 342 is a similar deal. It would be a pretty good engine fora 73 Dart, and a great engine in an early A. But as the weight goes up, the engine will start to show it's true colors.
So how heavy do you think that Ram might be?and
What are you willing to give up, in terms of useage?and
How attached are you to that cam? and
Where in the rpm band are you hoping the power will hit?

If you are a city only vehicle, then you can trade away some torque off the line(to be made up for by torque multiplication), for some midrange. Top end is probably out cuz there won't be any if it is a 4400 pound tank. So these are all things you need to take into consideration, NOW, before the Scr is set in stone; cuz in your case you will want to walk the thin line between detonation and Dcr limits.
Now there are exactly 3 non-O/D boxes to choose from, and two of them are the same except for low gear. The standard, most available box is the 2.66-1.92-1.40-1.00 box. This box is available in a 3.09 low, but the only gear that will physically swap between ratios is the M/S low gear.The third box is the 1970 T/A box with ratios of 2.47-1.77-1.34-1.00. This is a close ratio box, and is getting hard to find.The gears are all different from the standard box. (not sure about 1st). This one you won't want;first gear is just too high.
So you are sorta stuck with the standard 2.66 box.The splits are; .72-.73-.71; Fairly nice, but not set up for a high reving engine. Out-shifting at 6000, the rpm will drop to about 4320;making a powerband of about 1680, which is very doable.( But outshifting at 6800, requires a powerband of 1900.)
So to optimize the engine to the tranny with,say, a 6000rpm shift,the power would like to peak at 6000 less 1/2 of 1680 =5160; also very doable.
But you will need to punch in your own numbers based on what you want to do with this truck. And of course putting the wrong cam in there,does not automatically spell failure. The combo will just be a little off somewhere.
If the truck is very heavy, rapid acceleration with this size of engine will run out pretty early, so there is no sense in gearing it to go fast. You will need some pretty good gears to get moving.
If the truck is 3400 pounds or less, then this is less of a problem.
The point here is; the cam will have to matched to the chassis-weight to satisfy your needs.And after the cam is picked, the rest of the package can be finalized.
That 284 cam,with 3.55s, 30 inch tires, and a 4400 pound chassis, is almost a guaranteed disappointment with a 342small-bore engine.I say almost, cuz gears can be a pretty good bandaid.
Without knowing the parameters to hit, it would be hard to estimate any gears or a cam.Do you want a ripper in the zero to 50mph, with no highway use. Or do you want it to have passing power at 55/65 or are you gonna use it to tow a boat, etc.
That 284 cam can be made to work, but then you will want to search for a 3.09 low box.And you can expect to make the wrong choice in the first selected rear gear ratio.
Here's what I know; My 360 likes a minimum starter gear of 10/1 with 27" tires. This maths out to 7.3mph per 1000 rpm in first gear, and this is with a 276* cam.
I will imagine that the 284 cam will want about 10% more gear. This is an inverse proportion so 7.3/1.1 = 6.64 mph per 1000rpm. This maths out to a starter gear of 13.5. Divide that by the 2.66 low, and you will need 5.13s.If you find a 3.09 low tranny, then you can get away with 4.30s. These 4.30s will cruise at 3130. While the 5.13s will cruise at 3736. Now the rpm drop on the 1-2 shift is a bit of a stretch, so you may have to rev a little higher in first before the shift into second. This is where the 284 will show it's heart as it may not accelerate the heavy truck at low rpm.You may find that you have to rev it to 4000, to drop in at 2480, and the 284 is not gonna like that. 4000 with the 4.30 combo is 27 mph. And the shift into second, still at 27mph, and dropping to 2480;well that 284 cam is gonna struggle to get back into it's sweetspot, somewhere near 4000/43mph.And as the speed goes up, wind-resistance makes it ever worse.So now you can perhaps see why I am looking at a cam to make a more powerful pull,lower in the rpm band.Of course I am assuming the truck is way heavier than 3400 pounds.
So how heavy is it, and what do you want the vehicle to do?
 
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Really? You dislike my post and then ask me for advice. LMAO! Go experiment with what you got and learn the old fashion way. It's called trial and error. Learn by doing.
You have a mismatched combination, good luck!
What gear would you use 4.11 or 10 or 3.73. I mean it is a 8.75 I could just build a pumpkin to go silly fast with and, one for cruising.
 
No Its a Lunati Voodoo hydraulic. No cam is ever to big for any motor in my book.
LMAO! That's the spirt. Not that you'll find it correct. But you should try anyway. After a few cams, you might just get the hang of things! LMAO!
 
Really? You dislike my post and then ask me for advice. LMAO! Go experiment with what you got and learn the old fashion way. It's called trial and error. Learn by doing.
You have a mismatched combination, good luck!
Rumble I didn't mean anything by it. I wanted a suggestion for what gear u would use. I just disagree with a whole bunch of trial and error. So I try to glean some more knowledge on the subject or, maybe someone else has come upon a similar situation. That is what these forums r 4 aren't they.
 
To get the best suggestions for your particular app, you need to post what you do and don't like about the current setup . it would also help to know your cylinder cranking compression.

Use the calculator below to determine rpm vs mph . This will also help you decide what gear you want.

RPM/MPH From Gear Ratio Calculator by Wallace Racing
First the motor isn't even finished yet. I just want something that will sound really nasty with open headers so I can wake the dead and, I'm not kidding either. For the other questions A/J that asked well I live in the country I have 2 traffic lights in town, there are some stop signs but, they have a white boarder which makes them optional. Hell It doesn't have to be perfect for this. I mean I'm currently building a real stroker SB for it this is just some parts I have laying around. I bought the truck with a 318 that had put 2 rods thru the pan. I figured what the hell I'll build a fun little motor to kick around in it. No towing maybe a run to the lumber yard every now and then but, that is pretty much it. It will be something to go have a little fun in for now.
 
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