Turn signal flasher?

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So I have a Dart Sport that I've been working on. Just about road ready but no turn signal. Check the number 2 fuse and it fried. was going to switch out the relay and were is it? Found the one square one for the for ways. Not sure but I think it's missing and I don't know were the plug in is. I even pulled the cluster out.
 
To add on with my first post I unplugged the heater switch to eliminate that being bad. so as soon as I turn the switch the number 2 fuse blows. Still not sure about the flasher relay.
 
Check all the bulb wiring with a meter to ground. You have a hard dead short to ground someplace.
 
Check all the bulb wiring with a meter to ground. You have a hard dead short to ground someplace.
To eliminate and bulb or wiring beyond the dash I unplugged the rear harness. All other lights work and for ways work. im really confused.
 
Right now all you know is that you have a blown fuse, so replace it and see if it happens again.
If it does, then you need to track down the short.
One easy way I like is to disconnect things, put a test light on the downstream side of the fuse and start hooking things back up and see what blows it.
The test light helps to know what caused it right away because you can see the light from most places around the car.
Use the alligator clip at the fuse box and the point of the tester up where you can see it when it goes off.
On my Dart the flasher unit is almost dead center on the dash right on the top side of the lower edge of the dash.
If it's missing you should find a plug that looks like it would match this picture.
You might consider getting an electronic flasher since they don't slow down with the engine idling.

If you plug the rear lights back in and it blows the fuse pull all those rear bulbs and check the sockets.
They can get busted up inside, or the spring under the contact pad in the socket can rust or break and short to ground.

If you don't have a problem there it could be in the signal switch in the column.

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I've at is point went trough 6 fuses. ive eliminated, blower fan, rear lights, radio. Is the for way flasher and the turn signal flasher the same? it appears that it has to be.
 
I've at is point went trough 6 fuses. ive eliminated, blower fan, rear lights, radio. Is the for way flasher and the turn signal flasher the same? it appears that it has to be.
Yes they are the same, or close.
 
The turn signal flasher is mounted on the right side of the ash tray hanger. If you remove the ash tray you might see a small square blue piece of plastic. That will be the nub on the flasher top. It pokes through a hole in the hanger and rotated 90 degrees to cause and metal on plastic bite.
In earlier model you would see a rivet where a steel clip is attached. the flasher is in that clip. Same location, different method to the madness.
 
I got it. Neutral safety switch on the transmission. Unplugged it and no more blown fuse and turn signals work. the switch was brand new. There is some trans fluid inside of the plug. Not sure why. Do you think the fluid would cause the short?
 
What I would try... With that plug disconnected from trans, use a jumper across the outer 2 wires to make the reverse lamp circuit. If the fuse blows again the short is in reverse lamp circuit, wiring or fixtures. If this is, or once was, a manual trans car with a reverse indicator in the dash, the short could be there too.
 
What I would try... With that plug disconnected from trans, use a jumper across the outer 2 wires to make the reverse lamp circuit. If the fuse blows again the short is in reverse lamp circuit, wiring or fixtures. If this is, or once was, a manual trans car with a reverse indicator in the dash, the short could be there too.
I will give that a try as well. I have to think its a problem with the switch because I noticed it would start in any gear. Its an automatic. Thanks for your help, Ill post the final outcome on Monday when I get a little more time to work on it.
 
I will give that a try as well. I have to think its a problem with the switch because I noticed it would start in any gear. Its an automatic. Thanks for your help, Ill post the final outcome on Monday when I get a little more time to work on it.
I really don't think fluid in the harness connector can be such a constant short. That switch screwed into the trans can be all these problems though, shorting reverse lamp circuit to the neutral safety ground path, blowing fuse and all. Especially if its the wrong switch. It'll break, short, and leak fluid.
A pic of all 3 switches was shown in another thread recently. Included 2 different lengths of the 3 post switches.
 
Three different switches? I did not know that. I'll have to look for that thread, I may have gotten the wrong one in the first place. It's all making sense now. I remember having to be fairly aggressive shifting into park when I installed the new switch. Shortly after I noticed the lack of turn signals and reverse lights. Also it now starts in gear as well. I must have gotten a longer switch. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
 
Three different switches? I did not know that. I'll have to look for that thread, I may have gotten the wrong one in the first place. It's all making sense now. I remember having to be fairly aggressive shifting into park when I installed the new switch. Shortly after I noticed the lack of turn signals and reverse lights. Also it now starts in gear as well. I must have gotten a longer switch. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
AH HA what is the correct word, epiphany? The part called a rooster comb inside the trans will bust the wrong ( too long ) switch all to pieces.
There are 3 different rooster combs, a single wire switch, and 2 different 3 wire switches shown in a earlier thread.
 
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Yup, for sure. I'm assuming that the transmission is a 74 like the car but I'm going have to take a closer look and make sure I get the right switch.
 
Woo Hoo, some dang good progress.
You'll have that straightened out in no time. :D

BTW, fluid inside the socket is because the switch leaks where the two materials were crimped together.
(Especially if it's banged up on the inside.) but it won't cause a short as redfish stated.
 
Update, I got a new "made in China" neutral safety switch from NAPA. I had the right one to begin with, just broken. I put the new one in and I'm back in business. Turn signals and all work except for the reverse lights. I'll have to work on those yet.
 
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