Thats the point at which I get the highest vacuum reading in gear at idle. It's also around where the RPMs stop increasing when adding timing. Also, it seems to fire up and idle a lot faster at that point, than say the 20* where I had it before when I was messing around with it, with better throttle response too. Am I off base? Thanks for the input btw. Didn't mean to start a **** storm. Just never had an engine that seemed to 'want' this much initial before. I runs great though, with no hiccups. Once I finish tuning a couple different carbs I have for it, I'll be taking it out to the track for some testing.