Exactly what did you see in person? Remember I'm pretty unlucky sometimes but I'm pretty lucky other times though LOL. I remember the big stink argument about me not taking the inner springs off before I broke in my solid lifter cam. Lord the gurus came out to Whip Me. I think half the Forum wrote me off as a dumbass after that LOL you win some you lose some you can't please all the people all of the time....