Yeah I looked at them here in wa too. They said that they still work under cloud cover. Dunno, big up front investment. Too much for me. Locally made too. Just has to be the right deal. Seems to have its merits, but might be too betamax right now. We will see. The electric motors are powerful, just the Batt situation seems lame. Got to get one of those "back to the future" nuclear garbage rectifiers.