I had a 17' Charger SE as a loaner a few weeks ago. Not a bad car, I like my Legacy 3.6R better only because it out handled the SE. The SE was bargain basement with small brakes and no options accept the Black Top package. My wife and kids all liked it too, very roomy, I'd be down for an R/T or Super Bee. Sad thing was when I was looking for a car last year, we looked at a loaded 13' 300c. Wife hated it, so I dismissed the Charger as they are basically the same other than sheet metal. Now they love the Charger...go figure.