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I don't think the people gunned down by a rapid fire weapon gave a rats **** about how it was firing at that rapid rate. Bump Stock or full auto weapon, Same thing to them. Bump stock was just a ingenious way to circumvent the rules on full auto weapons. BUT still a bump stock on a AR is still a full auto weapon.
 
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Here is another bit of information on the bump-stock devices the shooter used.

While a lot of rhetoric is flying around about who's to blame, these are the unspun facts...



In a June 2010 letter, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told the manufacturer of the bump-stock device that it considered the device to be outside its regulatory jurisdiction, thereby posing no obstacle to its marketing. The bureau noted that the device was intended to help people whose hands have limited mobility and that it had no automatically functioning parts. Constant forward pressure with the non-shooting hand and constant rearward pressure with the shooting hand were required for it to work, the letter said.

But there’s more. Republicans by and large did not support Democratic legislation that would have restricted bump stocks. Such a provision was contained in a 2013 bill pushed by Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California.

There’s still more, though. The provision was in a bill that had little hope of GOP support because it sought to restore a ban on certain semi-automatic weapons, a non-starter for many in the GOP.

Legislation often contains pieces that might win bipartisan support if they were not entangled in sweeping measures unpalatable to the other side.

So, in essence, neither party in Congress had the foresight to take a clean run against bump stocks and similar devices before they were put to such lethal use.

Now you know.
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Now I know, which I already knew, completely irrelevant information.

Even if bump stocks were never available, how would that have prevented this horrific act from taking place?

Typical liberal ideas are to propose bills that solve nothing, but they believe will give the appearance that they are so much more caring because they are willing to give away the rights of the citizens they represent.

Let's say our congress decides to prevent future sales of bump stocks that you appear to be so worried about, how do you intend to retrieve those that are already out there? Unlike silencers, there wasn't any licensing requirement ever established.
 
I am a big 2nd amendment proponent. Always have been. Always will be. But I have to say, the politicizing from both sides sickens me to death. Literally makes me want to vomit.

Everyday on Facebook I see memes about it. Frankly right now, I don't want to see a gun for a while. ..........and I usually carry one all the time. I still will, but I hate how everyone is stickin it in our faces and down our throats. Regardless of which side you are on, this is a terrible tragedy and should not be politicized.

The other side I see is just as sickening. The media's blatant lies. No way in hell one shooter did this. No way, no how. Anyone thinks that either has not watched all the available videos, or is some kinda new stupid.

Also, this is not he worst mass killing in US history. Can you say Oklahoma bombing? Wounded Knee Massacre of 1890? But see, neither of those fits the media's agenda so they ignore them.

Cain killed Abel with a rock. We gonna outlaw those next?
 
Brad4406 said:
Now I know, which I already knew, completely irrelevant information.

Even if bump stocks were never available, how would that have prevented this horrific act from taking place?

Typical liberal ideas are to propose bills that solve nothing, but they believe will give the appearance that they are so much more caring because they are willing to give away the rights of the citizens they represent.

Let's say our congress decides to prevent future sales of bump stocks that you appear to be so worried about, how do you intend to retrieve those that are already out there? Unlike silencers, there wasn't any licensing requirement ever established.
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Don't assign to me what you think my opinion is. I presented information that is currently being discussed in the public media political forum with the truth of the facts each side is seeking to spin.

I don't believe in any way that regulation will prevent the actions of a madman bent on mayhem and destruction. I Also don't believe the genie can ever be put back in the bottle once released.

Read my previous posts before you decide to assign judgement against my intent.
 
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Don't assign to me what you think my opinion is. I presented information that is currently being discussed in the public media political forum with the truth of the facts each side is seeking to spin.

I don't believe in any way that regulation will prevent the actions of a madman bent on mayhem and destruction. I Also don't believe the genie can ever be put back in the bottle once released.

Read my previous posts before you decide to assign judgement against my intent.
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I didn't assign you to anything; get off your high horse. I stated facts and asked how you intended to fix the issue you posted about. I never stated that you were a lib. How about you actually read my post instead of attempting to spin my words.
 
Every time something like this happens, the Liberals start complaining about gun control. Give me a break. I am VERY sad about this, and I feel VERY bad for all concerned, but if you take guns away from law abiding citizens, only the criminals, thugs and drug dealers will have them. You can't legislate against stupid, crazy people. If there were no guns, he might have gotten his hands on some explosives from a construction or mining site. Do we then legislate against construction explosives. If he made a bomb out of fertilizer, do we then legislate against fertilizer. The problem isn't the average person's access to guns, it is that crazy people will always find a way to hurt and kill others. If he had driven his SUV through the crowd, would we ban SUVs. You think law abiding citizens are the problem?? People can walk down the street at night in Billings Montana at night with no fear of being mugged because muggers and thieves know that practically everyone there is packing.
 
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I didn't assign you to anything; get off your high horse. I stated facts and asked how you intended to fix the issue you posted about.
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BS. Yes, you did. You stated the following quite clearly...

"Let's say our congress decides to prevent future sales of bump stocks that you appear to be so worried about, how do you intend to retrieve those that are already out there?"

I never said I believed it was an issue I thought needed fixing. I said it was an issue being discussed in the public political media and sought to clarify that the facts surrounding their discussion.

The point of my post was the fact the politicians on both sides of the aisle are seeking to spin something and blame each other when in reality they both are to blame for what they think the other has done in failing to prevent this.

My personal view is that they'd do better to think about banning high-rise buildings to prevent what happened than waste their time on this....like I posted earlier today.
 
Ddaddy said:
BS. Yes, you did. You stated the following quite clearly...

"Let's say our congress decides to prevent future sales of bump stocks that you appear to be so worried about, how do you intend to retrieve those that are already out there?"

I never said I believed it was an issue I thought needed fixing. I said it was an issue being discussed in the public political media and sought to clarify that the facts surrounding their discussion.

The point of my post was the fact the politicians on both sides of the aisle are seeking to spin something and blame each other when in reality they both are to blame for what they think the other has done in failing to prevent this.

My personal view is that they'd do better to think about banning high-rise buildings to prevent what happened than waste their time on this....like I posted earlier today.
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Yes, I did state "you". Did someone other than you make that post?

If it's not something you believe, then do you believe you are some sort of news forecaster that is going to enlighten all of us on current events? We all know what is being discussed, unless we live under rocks. FABO is great, but I don't believe anyone is coming here to be informed on current events.

What you posted earlier today was in quotes; someone else's statement. Do you have any original ideas or do you just repeat everyone else?
 
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I am a big 2nd amendment proponent. Always have been. Always will be. But I have to say, the politicizing from both sides sickens me to death. Literally makes me want to vomit.

Everyday on Facebook I see memes about it. Frankly right now, I don't want to see a gun for a while. ..........and I usually carry one all the time. I still will, but I hate how everyone is stickin it in our faces and down our throats. Regardless of which side you are on, this is a terrible tragedy and should not be politicized.

The other side I see is just as sickening. The media's blatant lies. No way in hell one shooter did this. No way, no how. Anyone thinks that either has not watched all the available videos, or is some kinda new stupid.

Also, this is not he worst mass killing in US history. Can you say Oklahoma bombing? Wounded Knee Massacre of 1890? But see, neither of those fits the media's agenda so they ignore them.

Cain killed Abel with a rock. We gonna outlaw those next?
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With response to the question in the OP.
It's a well written post.
"The question being why are these type of rifles allowed to be sold in the first place?"

I think the proper response is why do I, the individual, allow it.
Just like I view the question as allowing other people to make their own decisions about how to best defend themselves.
Not what the legislators do.
Otherwise, the thread might descend into finger pointing in the wrong places.

Rock Hudson : "No matter what you have been told, the American people are ultimately make the decision".
IIRC in "WW III" the miniseries.
 
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It bugs me to see and hear everyone talking about "crazy" people doing these things.
It's a sign of the times and it isn't anywhere near over.
Saying a crazy psycho does things like this shooting releases us and those currently in control of our country from being responsible for allowing a self serving do nothing good mess of our government.
It's so easy to dismiss them as having mental issue's instead of realizing that some of them are frustrated over the constant war attitude and abuse of some of the people that get vocal about it.

"Not our fault, as he just must have been crazy"
When in reality some of them are just tired of the BS.
 
So to all of the "I'm a big proponent of the 2 amendment" guys. What "well REGULATED Militia" do you belong to? You know the first part of the Second. Says right there Regulate the militia, there fore the weapons in the militia. And yes I own weapons, but we need to look at the WHOLE amendment.
 
Mopar Tim said:
So to all of the "I'm a big proponent of the 2 amendment" guys. What "well REGULATED Militia" do you belong to? You know the first part of the Second. Says right there Regulate the militia, there fore the weapons in the militia. And yes I own weapons, but we need to look at the WHOLE amendment.
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Trick question, "right"?

The Bill of Rights are all for individual rights.
Listing that particular, but not only reason , makes perfect sense in that the individual MUST be allowed a means by which to protect the "group" (state) as necessary.

OK.
Now The End.

 
adriver said:
Trick question, "right"?

The Bill of Rights are all for individual rights.
Listing that particular, but not only reason , makes perfect sense in that the individual MUST be allowed a means by which to protect the "group" (state) as necessary.

OK.
Now The End.

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And that's where the debate starts. Not the way I have researched the issue. We have our own way of looking at this issue, the second. Love America where we have the right to have different views. :usflag: Our constitution, and bill of rights, are a living document. That is one of the reasons America is great. When the Second was written, the authors never envisioned the kind of fire power that is available today. We need to revisit the intent of the authors with modern technology taken into account. IMO.
 
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Murder is against the law. Some people don't care, and ignore the law. Why does it matter what weapon is used? They're gonna do whatever they want to do. Gun laws, or any other laws don't even apply at that point. End of story.
 
Totally senseless act...... Condolences to the families.
Gun control is not going to solve it. The ban on assault weapons made no difference. I have lived on both sides of this fence. 20 years in an open carry state. In 20 years only heard of one car jacking at a stop light. The car jacker died in the street. And then in Md. Where when travelling, your piece needs to be unloaded, locked, ammo/clip placed somewhere other than within reach. Where there are some laws about protecting property with excessive force etc. One look at Baltimore puts it in perspective, and it's not "legal" guns doing it. Driving to John Hopkins Hospital is an adventure and a lesson in human nature.

There's a whole different world out there some have never experienced living a spoon fed silver lined existence. If you've ever had you're *** beat on a street corner walking home from work just because you were there, the opinion on personal protection would be different. Guaranteed.

Put a medical label on it when you give everybody a trophy just for showing up and wonder why they blow a gasket when they're emotionally ill-equipped to deal with disappointment and life's curve balls. Mental Illness is real, but some of this stuff could be avoided.



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All right guys, the O.P. and a couple others have suggested the thread be closed. I agree only because I feel it is going to escalate to the Political forum. This way it's still here in General discussion to read anyway. If you feel I'm wrong, let me know.
 
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