Modern Headlights

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I'm very sorry you were offended by two of the words I used in describing your turn signals; maybe "homemade" would have been more to your liking—I beg a thousand pardons. Also please 'scuze the hell outta me for having offered to help:

There's probably an easy and inexpensive way to have good front turn signals with an appearance you can live with. How much height do you have between top of bumper and lower edge of that ridge where your present turn signals are located?
 
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Truth is Dan, is that the valance is from a 70 duster. The 67 piece is one year only and when some turd ran into me years ago I couldn't find the correct piece so I adapted one from a duster. The original piece would have the lights lower and pretty much on the same plane as the opening in the current valance. I used these because I didn't have any other options that looked decent. Though they don't pass your smell test, they work just fine for their intended purpose for the time being.
I get it that you're the smartest lighting guy on the planet, but using the term "cobbled together" to publicly describe stuff on someone else's car that you've only seen in pictures is offensive. You are an arrogant asshole, we already know that so there's no need to prove it again.
So go ahead Mr. last-word, finish me off and then get back on topic.
Yeah,.....easy dude, Dan meant "cobbled" from a technical standpoint, and in general. Obviously You take pride in Your workmanship and did a nice clean job of equipping the
Vally w/those LED lamps. Overall, I can't really say how bright from a photo image w/that much ambient light, but they pop in the image as much as any stocker in the daytime.
True, You do need some separation from the headlamps, but turning in front of someone is Your call......so ultimately if You feel the beams are masking the signals, simply be
cautious. You definitely could add another LED bar inside of the current ones w/maybe 1/2 the width between, or just below them. Looks like You're getting a little extra out of
those w/the reflection off the bumper as well. Just some thoughts.........
 
I guess someone must have edited out the post that is so offensive. I have spent the last 15 minutes trying to see what all the excitement is all about.

I will tell you one thing. Calling someone an A****le is far more offensive than saying something is cobbled together.

I just do not understand why we need to use such offensive language.
Cursing on-line creates a very negative impression and I question the intelligence of the author, In my humble opinion.

So go ahead and let me have it
 
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The posts are still here in this thread in their original form
(№ 125 and 127).
Oh bother.......... I guess this is what is wrong with society today. People have such thin skin.
Dan, I guess you are lucky it is here and not in Chicago. In Chicago you can get yourself shot for less than that
 
If I were in Chicago I'd probably hold off on offering advice if people I don't know were to show me their cars and ask me to comment about the lights on it. I'd probably just stick to meatloaf gaskets and stuff like that.
 
Sorry to ressurect an old thread but anybody hear any good things about the Wagner H6024 halogens?
 
Sorry to ressurect an old thread but anybody hear any good things about the Wagner H6024 halogens?
The one H6024 (7" round hi/low Halogen sealed beam lamp) that consistantly gets the nod at Candlepower forums are GE's Nighthawk. (see this link for example).
You can search that forum to see if there is anything recent on the Wagners you're looking at, but my guess is that you won't find anything particularly positive. They are pretty good at keep the discussions about facts, factual.
 
Sorry to ressurect an old thread but anybody hear any good things about the Wagner H6024 halogens?

All of Wagner's sealed beams are junk. So are Sylvania's, and Eiko's, and most of GE's. The only readily-available sealed beam in the 7" round size that's worth using is this one. It is nowhere near the world's greatest headlamp, but it is the only 7" round headlamp that is both very cheap and passably decent. Step up from there is these lamps (specifically) with a set of these bulbs (specifically).
 
Just brought it up since i got a set of the night hawks for my car. Found these wagners on closeout. Figured id ask before pulling the trigger. A second set of nighthawks is what i will get then.
 
I replaced my sealed beams with the AutoPal replaceable bulb units because they were given to me for free so I thought I might as well give them a try. I had read over and over that they are junk, don't use them, but I never got a reason why. I drove it at night a couple times this summer and was very pleased with the lights. I made a relay kit for my headlights, so I know that has an effect on it as well.

So what is the problem with them? Are they hard on oncoming traffic? Do they fly apart going down the highway? Why are they so bad?

Cley
 
I replaced my sealed beams with the AutoPal replaceable bulb units because they were given to me for free so I thought I might as well give them a try. I had read over and over that they are junk, don't use them, but I never got a reason why.

People say they're junk because…they're junk! They're not actually headlamps, they're headlite-shaped trinkets made in what amounts to a (literally) dirt-floor barn in India. These "headlamps" come complete with fraudulent safety approval markings and all. Their craptacularity (technical term!) is spelled out with pics and data here (by a non-headlamp-geek, so he notices and documents how much worse the Autopals are and how much better the Cibies and Hellas are, but he's not really aware of how much the difference matters).

I drove it at night a couple times this summer and was very pleased with the lights.

I don't doubt it, but that doesn't mean they're good (or effective, or safe). The difficulty is, what we feel like we're seeing isn't what we're actually seeing. The human visual system is a lousy judge of how well it's doing. "I know what I can see!" seems reasonable, but it doesn't square up with reality because we humans are just not well equipped to accurately evaluate how well or poorly we can see (or how well a headlamp works). Our subjective impressions tend to be very far out of line with objective, real measurements of how well we can (or can't) see, so there are a whole lot of headlamps out there, especially cheap off-brand crapola (including Autopal and Neolite, the other brand from India, a bunch of brands from China, etc) that feel like "Hey, these are nice headlamps" but are about as adequate for safety as a seatbelt made out of used dental floss. The other side of this coin is that there are plenty of headlamps out there that give at least adequate safety performance, but feel like they're useless.

The primary factor that drives subjective ratings of headlamps is foreground light, that is light on the road surface close to the vehicle...which is almost irrelevant; it barely even makes it onto the _bottom_ of the list of factors that determine a headlamp's actual safety performance. A moderate amount of foreground light is necessary so we can use our peripheral vision to keep track of the lane lines and keep our focus up the road where it should be, but too much foreground light works against us: it draws our gaze downward even if we consciously try to keep looking far ahead, and the bright pool of light causes our pupils to constrict, which destroys our distance vision. All of this while creating the feeling that we've got "good" lights. It's not because we're lying to ourselves or fooling ourselves or anything like that, it's because our visual systems just don't work the way it feels like they work.

And it's a safety double-whammy because most poor-quality headlamps (including the Autopals) produce just about nothing but foreground light: a wash of light close to the vehicle, but no concentrated hot spot to throw light down the road where you need it, so you get severely deficient seeing distance.

Also, it's a popular misunderstanding that H4/"E-code"/European/replaceable-bulb headlamps are necessarily better than sealed beams. That's not true. There are good and bad headlamps of every description.

Seriously, you are way far better off with one of the options in post № 160 of this thread. You can spend more and get more, of course, but either of those options is going to be a giant improvement over what you have now and what you had before.
 
Amazons got them on sale again GE H6024NH about $5.00 each. Free ship over $25
 
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Y'might laugh, but...yeah! A whole hell of a lot more (and more deadly) crashes happen after dark, even though most driving gets done during daylight. Even the best low beam headlamps are just not adequate for the speeds we actually drive at. The solution exists, but it's not yet legal in America and it's doubtful it'll ever be available as a retrofit for old cars (though if so, I'd bet money on which American company will make it happen).
 
Y'might laugh, but...yeah! A whole hell of a lot more (and more deadly) crashes happen after dark, even though most driving gets done during daylight. Even the best low beam headlamps are just not adequate for the speeds we actually drive at. The solution exists, but it's not yet legal in America and it's doubtful it'll ever be available as a retrofit for old cars (though if so, I'd bet money on which American company will make it happen).

What would that be? Polarized headlamps and windshields? That could reduce oncoming brightness, while retaining your own illumination down the road.
 
No, polarized headlighting was researched and developed extensively, but it is not practical. It only works if all cars have polarized headlamps and windshields, and the light losses due to polarization are huge, taking away whatever safety advantage might have been gained. Plus, polarized headlamps might've been easy enough when all cars had standard-size/shape headlamps, but that stopped being true over three decades ago.

No, what I'm talking about is called "adaptive driving beam" (ADB) or "glare-free high beam". It's a camera-driven system that keeps track of the presence and position of other road users in front of you. Instead of a low beam directed downward-rightward—which geometrically limits the seeing distance no matter how bright the light is—you have a full-time high beam pattern with the other road users dynamically shadowed out. You have high beam seeing ability; they have low-beam glare levels. It's already on the roads in Europe, and no longer just on expensive cars, but on an increasing number of popular-priced models, too. And it works; you get at least a hundred feet(!) more seeing distance with ADB than with low beam, without an increase in glare.

American vehicle lighting suppliers have systems ready to go, but it's not yet legal in the States. And we can't just adopt the Europe/rest-of-world regulation on how the systems have to be engineered and tested, because that regulation doesn't meet the US legal requirement for how vehicle regulations have to be structured. The SAE Lighting Systems Group did an excellent and very fast job of translating the Euro standard into US-compatible terms without "reinventing the wheel", so that technical standard now exists, but SAE standards don't have force of law—if we're going to have it in America, the federal DOT will have to issue a regulation (an amended version of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108). The current administration is very anti-regulation, and many Federal agencies have been ordered to put an indefinite freeze on issuing any new regs, so while before it looked like ADB would be legal in America this year, now it's ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . It's a shame some people won't understand that regulations don't necessarily say "Stop, no you can't", sometimes they say "Yes you can, go ahead".
 
No, those are a fraudulent scam that nobody needs. They're not "wiring harnesses" in any meaningful sense of the word and will not bring you any benefit, only drawbacks. What you do need is to hit @crackedback here on the board for a (real) headlamp relay harness.
 
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