Porting DC Stage IV iron heads

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I scored a set of pretty cherry NOS Stage IV Direct Connection iron castings and would like to have the porting optimized for this unique (wider intake port at the pinch) casting. Is anyone aware of a CNC program in use that is specific for the Stage IV, or a porting service/individual that is familiar with them? I wouldn't want to ruin these rare-ish castings with "experimenting." I can get the bowls/seats "roughed-in" for the bigger valves I want to run before the porting/blending begins. Thanks in advance.
 
Maybe blow in Jim Laroy's ear. He's retired, but you never know........can anybody ever retire completely?
 
Port them as you would the 906 head , as the stage 1V was just a 906 replacement head with hardened seat
 
Port them as you would the 906 head , as the stage 1V was just a 906 replacement head with hardened seat

Yeah, this is what I am trying to avoid. Someone who doesn't know the Stage IV is a completely different casting with wider intake ports and thicker in critical spots for porting. The Stage IV can't even use stock rockers and 5/16 pushrods without major grinding on the outside intake port walls. With 3/8 pushrods, you must use a .450/.500" offset intake rocker (stock offset is .250" offset), so that the pushrod pinch can be eliminated on the inside of the port. The "452" head was available new at the same time as the Stage IV with hardened seats, for 1/4 the price, so yeah-the Stage IV is just a smog head. Thanks for clarifying!
 
I sent him a PM coaxial to this post... :)


I just picked up a set fully ported stage 4 heads for my sons car got a really gd deal on them w stainless valves they are set up to 600 lift cant wait to see what kinda power they make . Were goin low buck for his first big block but i think theve potential to get him where he's lookin to be
 
Have you seen this?
Moparts on the Web - Main Index

I regret not buying a few sets when the Italians bought mopar and all these old parts got dumped. S/F....Ken M

I worked for a Chrysler dealership in the '80s and '90s, when you could get NOS "452" castings for $15@ and 400/440 cast cranks NOS for $30@ and bare NOS 440 blocks for $250, then $150 at the end. The Stage IV's were long gone, but they had Stage V's available bare for like $800pr.!!! *gasp*
 
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I thought Jim’s son Cody did the head Porting?
We both do porting, Cody has a better touch than I. I have to go catch UPS, but when I get back I will go through the Stage IV & V heads in better detail. Some people are not going to be very happy.
 
We both do porting, Cody has a better touch than I. I have to go catch UPS, but when I get back I will go through the Stage IV & V heads in better detail. Some people are not going to be very happy.



Oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy this will be fun and educational. I look forward to this.
 
Stage IV heads, let's start with this Dec. 1982 Popular Hot Rodding article.

Stage IV heads ported by the engine builder, Bill LaRoy, on a 4.350 bore 440, 3.75 factory forged crankshaft with hard chromed journals. 12.5:1 compression, race fuel, and a Clay Smith cam of 310 degrees advertised duration with .642" net lift @ .018" lash (I still have the cam card). 630 HP @ 7,000 rpm and 593 LB-FT of torque @ 4,500 rpm. Stage IV heads in 1982........not.......to........bad.

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So sometime in 2004-2005 my son, Cody, brings me this magazine article and says, "Hey Pop did this in 1982! Can't we do something like that now?"

"Yes we can son, but we need cylinder heads." And Cody began to destroy cylinder heads.

After months of destruction and flowbench testing he brought me a set of 452 iron heads. "What about these?" And he showed me the flow sheets.

"I believe we can do something with those son." So we built a 451 stroker for his heads. 9.5:1 compression, 91 octane pump gas, Comp Cams XR292R 292/297 advertised duration, .566/.572 net lift, 621 HP @ 6,100 rpm and 588 LB-FT @ 4,600 rpm. With 452 iron heads?

"Well to tell the truth Dad, I don't see all that difference between the 452 and the Stage IV heads."

But Cody wanted to use better heads on a bigger engine and I could afford Stage V heads. So I bought him three STG V heads. One to destroy during testing and two for the engine.

He destroyed all three. But at that time he had them flowing over 320 cfm, maybe 330.

"Not to worry Dad. I've learned quite a bit and noticed that the Stage V heads aren't all that different from the 906 heads!"

And he made us a pair of 906 heads that flowed 340+ cfm and made 748 horsepower on a pump gas 500" stroker.

The point? Sorry fellas, they don't make Stage IV and V heads anymore because they weren't all that great anyway! You could do the same thing with 452 and 906 heads if you knew what you were doing.

I've sold a few sets of lesser test heads on eBay, good quality, but nothing super great on air flow, just to make a few bucks and lower the quantity of iron on the shelves around here.

But the really good heads? We didn't get enough work to keep the doors open for those. People would shat themselves when they asked the price. We've always put more heart and soul in what we do than what we've gotten paid for.

And Cody? He's making different heads now-a-days anyway.

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Just as a side note. If you look to the left of MUSCULAR MOPAR above Dad's picture, you will see that I got Cam Benty to sign the article he wrote in 1982 on Pop's engine. He was there at Westech Performance Group in 2008 when the 451 stroker was making 554 rear wheel horsepower in a '71 Road Runner, with a set of Cody's 906 heads.
 
I forgot an important point to make about the Stage IV and V heads. With the combustion chamber, the bowls, the roof and the floor similar between the Stage IV and the 452 heads, and the the similarity in the same structures between the Stage V and 906, then pushrod pinch really doesn't mean squat. The ports are stopped up beyond the pushrod pinch, and it of itself, isn't the problem.
 
Stage IV heads, let's start with this Dec. 1982 Popular Hot Rodding article.

Stage IV heads ported by the engine builder, Bill LaRoy, on a 4.350 bore 440, 3.75 factory forged crankshaft with hard chromed journals. 12.5:1 compression, race fuel, and a Clay Smith cam of 310 degrees advertised duration with .642" net lift @ .018" lash (I still have the cam card). 630 HP @ 7,000 rpm and 593 LB-FT of torque @ 4,500 rpm. Stage IV heads in 1982........not.......to........bad.

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So sometime in 2004-2005 my son, Cody, brings me this magazine article and says, "Hey Pop did this in 1982! Can't we do something like that now?"

"Yes we can son, but we need cylinder heads." And Cody began to destroy cylinder heads.

After months of destruction and flowbench testing he brought me a set of 452 iron heads. "What about these?" And he showed me the flow sheets.

"I believe we can do something with those son." So we built a 451 stroker for his heads. 9.5:1 compression, 91 octane pump gas, Comp Cams XR292R 292/297 advertised duration, .566/.572 net lift, 621 HP @ 6,100 rpm and 588 LB-FT @ 4,600 rpm. With 452 iron heads?

"Well to tell the truth Dad, I don't see all that difference between the 452 and the Stage IV heads."

But Cody wanted to use better heads on a bigger engine and I could afford Stage V heads. So I bought him three STG V heads. One to destroy during testing and two for the engine.

He destroyed all three. But at that time he had them flowing over 320 cfm, maybe 330.

"Not to worry Dad. I've learned quite a bit and noticed that the Stage V heads aren't all that different from the 906 heads!"

And he made us a pair of 906 heads that flowed 340+ cfm and made 748 horsepower on a pump gas 500" stroker.

The point? Sorry fellas, they don't make Stage IV and V heads anymore because they weren't all that great anyway! You could do the same thing with 452 and 906 heads if you knew what you were doing.

I've sold a few sets of lesser test heads on eBay, good quality, but nothing super great on air flow, just to make a few bucks and lower the quantity of iron on the shelves around here.

But the really good heads? We didn't get enough work to keep the doors open for those. People would shat themselves when they asked the price. We've always put more heart and soul in what we do than what we've gotten paid for.

And Cody? He's making different heads now-a-days anyway.

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And thank you.
Couldn't hit both buttons.
 
Stage IV heads, let's start with this Dec. 1982 Popular Hot Rodding article.

Stage IV heads ported by the engine builder, Bill LaRoy, on a 4.350 bore 440, 3.75 factory forged crankshaft with hard chromed journals. 12.5:1 compression, race fuel, and a Clay Smith cam of 310 degrees advertised duration with .642" net lift @ .018" lash (I still have the cam card). 630 HP @ 7,000 rpm and 593 LB-FT of torque @ 4,500 rpm. Stage IV heads in 1982........not.......to........bad.

View attachment 1715153450 View attachment 1715153452

So sometime in 2004-2005 my son, Cody, brings me this magazine article and says, "Hey Pop did this in 1982! Can't we do something like that now?"

"Yes we can son, but we need cylinder heads." And Cody began to destroy cylinder heads.

After months of destruction and flowbench testing he brought me a set of 452 iron heads. "What about these?" And he showed me the flow sheets.

"I believe we can do something with those son." So we built a 451 stroker for his heads. 9.5:1 compression, 91 octane pump gas, Comp Cams XR292R 292/297 advertised duration, .566/.572 net lift, 621 HP @ 6,100 rpm and 588 LB-FT @ 4,600 rpm. With 452 iron heads?

"Well to tell the truth Dad, I don't see all that difference between the 452 and the Stage IV heads."

But Cody wanted to use better heads on a bigger engine and I could afford Stage V heads. So I bought him three STG V heads. One to destroy during testing and two for the engine.

He destroyed all three. But at that time he had them flowing over 320 cfm, maybe 330.

"Not to worry Dad. I've learned quite a bit and noticed that the Stage V heads aren't all that different from the 906 heads!"

And he made us a pair of 906 heads that flowed 340+ cfm and made 748 horsepower on a pump gas 500" stroker.

The point? Sorry fellas, they don't make Stage IV and V heads anymore because they weren't all that great anyway! You could do the same thing with 452 and 906 heads if you knew what you were doing.

I've sold a few sets of lesser test heads on eBay, good quality, but nothing super great on air flow, just to make a few bucks and lower the quantity of iron on the shelves around here.

But the really good heads? We didn't get enough work to keep the doors open for those. People would shat themselves when they asked the price. We've always put more heart and soul in what we do than what we've gotten paid for.

And Cody? He's making different heads now-a-days anyway.

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Thanks for this post. As I've said many, many times...if you don't move the valves and the ports the heads are pretty much all the same.



Edit: I should add that is IF the castings have enough material to make them all the same.
 
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400$ for fully set up ported w new stainless valves , springs and a set of excellent chrome v/covers w p#stamped into them couldnt resist .before po went to trickflows he was running 10.60s w them them. Low budget someday aluminum
 
Thanks IQ52.

Now the question remains, what will this poor soul do when the time comes for his 452 heads????

LMAO!!!!
 
No question here contact Dwayne Porter @ Porter Racing heads. Better yet "fast68plymouth" on moparts. He did "mild" job on my Stage Vi's and 290-300@.500"
TORQUE!
 
No question here contact Dwayne Porter @ Porter Racing heads. Better yet "fast68plymouth" on moparts. He did "mild" job on my Stage Vi's and 290-300@.500"
TORQUE!
Dwayne Porter and fast68plymouth are one in the same. he does good work
 
I had Jim and Cody Laroy prepare these Stage VI new castings for me. They are P5249579 Max Wedge Stage VI. This is the results.
Pretty impressive IMO.


ROY RIVEIRO STAGE VI HEADS



LIFT……...…OOTB INT /EXH Ported INT/EXH

.100…….…………61/58 77/70

.200……………...124/115 160/135

.300……………...188/149 224/184

.400………………232/156 273/220

.500….….….…..256/162 311/254

.600………….……257/165 335/271

.700……………….261/168 346/288
 
Conclusive proof that every generation is smarter than the last.

It is? I was kinda wonderin if the Stage IV heads were such pieces of crap, how come Laroy Sr didn't use the 452s? I guess we'll never know. Hope you can find somebody that can fix them up for you. We're runnin outta shops bad down here......that's why I messaged you about Jim in hopes he might take them on for you. It's not like you ain't got the money to make it happen. lol
 
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