Tons of black dust? Raybestos

72bluNblu said
Your comments don't make any sense. EBC Reds are a ceramic brake pad.

My comments clearly favor semi-metallics for street use, and that's what I use. Plain old generic semi-metallics. Which means I'm not running EBC reds (ceramic) or yellows (aramid fiber), because I really do believe what I posted. Also, I don't know why you think the Redstuff pads are supposed to be worse for dust or rotor wear. EBC actually claims the exact opposite. Straight from EBC "Make EBC Redstuff ceramic brake pads your low-dust replacement option. Redstuff pads reduce dust approximately 80 percent compared to OEM pads—and less dust also means less rotor wear!" So, is EBC lying about the performance of the Redstuff pads? Because according to EBC my semi-metallics tear up rotors faster and make more dust.

I run semi-metallics because they suit what I do with my car best. Average street use with occasional hard driving. The hard driving I do is enough to fade most organic pads, but not enough to fade the semi-metallics I run and definitely not enough to need "race pads" or EBC Yellows. And the boring street driving I do the majority of the time doesn't favor race pads. Honestly, there are probably organic pads that would work better for me for most of the driving I do.

I take it from your comments that you've literally tested every brake pad on the market? You've personally compared all the stopping distances? Which is how you know for a fact that the EBC's are "better than anything on the market for stopping power". Do you have the test parameters you used? Year/make/model and weight of the vehicle used, speed used for the braking test, number of stops that were used to come up with the average stopping distance for each brake pad, that sort of stuff. Was your testing published anywhere? Can I see the coefficient of friction numbers for every brake pad on the market that you came up with during your testing? I'd like to know the brake temperatures for the tests as well, if that's not too much trouble.

Or, are EBC's just best in your opinion? Because that's not what you said. So lets see the data to prove it.

I said you need the Yellows. Since you're so opposed to ceramic pads.

You're the one that made claims that you run Semi Metallic pads for their superiority! You also claimed they have better stopping power than Ceramic's, you even posted a Bridgestone Tires write up claiming it proves your point.

You wrote:
Ceramic- Expensive, moderate performance, super quiet, hard on your brake fluid and piston seals
Semi-Metallic- Affordable, high performance, noisy, dusty, harder on rotors than organic or ceramic

And followed it up with...
The faster your brakes can bring you to a stop, the faster your brake components wear out. Personally, I'd rather change rotors and pads than bodywork. If you're worried about wearing out your rotors, stop driving the car.

Nope, I am not saying EBC brake pads are inferior, for stopping power they are the best out there, if you don't mind some dust. They do exactly what you claim you like, brakes are supposed to wear out, or you'll crash your car. I would think you'd want the best pads to stop your car on the street? Most old cars get out braked by even low end new commuter cars as it is. I drive my car to work daily, hour there, hour home. I daily hit speeds of 100 mph on an 6 mile stretch of curvy road. I drive my car across state to Gingerman or a local dragway then home, then back to work the following week. EBC will stop your car in a shorter distance. Work excellent for city driving.

I have used EBC Reds and Yellows, Hawk, Brembo, Power Stop, Stop Tech, Akebono... EBC pads stop my cars in shorter distance than any of those. They are just that good. If you don't mind dust. You claim you don't.

If you are just driving around town in an old car want to keep it clean, just use a good ceramic pad. You claim that's unsafe though.